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Originally posted by GREGNOW
I heard in the 1st week right after the attacks is that a lot of jewish people that worked in the towers were warned by Isreal intelligence that the attack was going to happen.
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Zionist Commando Daniel Lewin Orchestrated The 9-11 Terrorist Attacks
But not all of the eye-witnesses to the 9-11 slaughter were so saddened. On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them “dancing”, “high-fiving” and “celebrating” as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey. …
When the photos [taken by the dancing Israelis] were developed, they revealed that the dancing Israelis were smiling in the foreground of the New York massacre. According to ABC’s 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also has in their possession the following items: box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 in cash hidden in a sock. Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre unfolding before their very eyes? … Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That’s what officials close to the investigation told the Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey. …
THE SEPTEMBER 11 DANCE PARTY Link
Suspects `filmed New York atrocities'
Ariel Sharon, who was scheduled to give an address to Israeli support groups in New York City on September 11th, cancelled his plans the day before.
Originally posted by Apoc
I remember the attack in 1993 where there was an explosion in the basement. There was no doubt what had happened. Many witnesses, obvious damage. It would seem to me that if there was an explosion in basement there would have been MANY witnesses and the damage would have been irefuteably observed and reported by more than just a janitor who thinks that's what he heard. Wouldn't there be audio logs by some means? more evidence? more witnesses? That being said, let's play devil's advocate, If there was some explosion in the basement, how does that correlate to a lawsuit against Bush?
It makes the guy just look like a partisan anti-Bu#e who would do or say anything to make him look bad.
Originally posted by Phoenix
Once one understands where the energy went and its possible effects then one has to wonder about ruptured steam lines or natural gas boiler feeds as a possible reason for the co-workers burns.
As far as having noticable effects in the basement just prior to the janitor hearing the impact explosion, energy travels much faster through steel and concrete than sound travels through the air.
Originally posted by slank
Lets do some math,
Height of WTC: 1368 & 1362 say average of 1365 . . .
blah, blah, blah . . .
additionally in a closed tube [elevator shaft] the air, being confined is going to try to have to find an exit so it can be displaced by fuel or anything else slowing it further.
Much like trying to fill a narrow necked bottle from the faucet with water, you have to allow an escape for the air or the water will have difficulties/slowing getting into the bottle.
[edit on 24-6-2005 by slank]
Mike walked through the open doorway and found two people lying on the floor. One was a female Carpenter and the other an Elevator Operator. They were both badly burned and injured.[
"When I walked out into the lobby, it was incredible," he recalled. "The whole lobby was soot and black, elevator doors were missing. The marble was missing off some of the walls. 20-foot section of marble, 20 by 10 foot sections of marble, gone from the walls". The west windows were all gone. They were missing. These are tremendous windows. They were just gone. Broken glass everywhere, the revolving doors were all broken and their glass was gone. Every sprinkler head was going off. I am thinking to myself, how are these sprinkler heads going off? It takes a lot of heat to set off a sprinkler head. It never dawned on me that there was a giant fireball that came through the air of the lobby. I never knew that until later on. The jet fuel actually came down the elevator shaft, blew off all the (elevator) doors and flames rolled through the lobby. That explained all the burnt people and why everything was sooted in the lobby."
We started going up the B stairway. As we got to the third floor of the B stairway, we forced open an elevator door which was burnt on all three sides. The only thing that was remaining was the hoistway door. And inside the elevator were about – I didn’t recognize them initially, but a guy from 1 Truck said oh my God, those are people. They were pretty incinerated. And I remember the overpowering smell of kerosene. That’s when Lieutenant Foti said oh, that’s the jet fuel. I remember it smelled like if you’re camping and you drop a kerosene lamp.
The same thing happened to the elevators in the main lobby. They were basically blown out. I don’t recall if I actually saw people in there.
What got me initially in the lobby was that as soon as we went in, all the windows were blown out, and there were one or two burning cars outside. And there were burn victims on the street there, walking around. We walked through this giant blown-out window into the lobby.
There was a lady there screaming that she didn’t know how she got burnt. She was just in the lobby and then next thing she knew she was on fire. She was burnt bad. And somebody came over with a fire extinguisher and was putting water on her.
That’s the first thing that got me. That and in front of one of the big elevator banks in the lobby was a desk and I definitely made out one of the corpses to be a security guard because he had a security label on his jacket. I’m assuming that maybe he was at a table still in a chair and almost completely incinerated, charred all over his body, definitely dead. And you could make out like a security tag on his jacket. And I remember seeing the table was melted, but he was still fused in the chair and that elevator bank was melted, so I imagine the jet fuel must have blown right down the elevator shaft and I guess caught the security guard at a table, I guess at some type of checkpoint.
Originally posted by Chris McGee
The energy would travel down the structure as a compression wave, exactly the same as sound does. The transmission speed of the energy would be exactly the same as the speed of the sound it generates as they are travelling through the same medium in exactly the same way.
Basically, the effects would be felt at the same time as the sound was heard.
Originally posted by Crakeur
also, if the lobby was all bombed out, how do you explain all the footage from inside the lobby? there's plenty of footage of the fire fighters heading in, setting up staging areas etc.
Originally posted by slank
I guess it was that special brand of jet fuel that seeks out the single freight elevator instead of the bank of elevators that went to the 77th floor sky lobby.
Or maybe the 93rd floor unlike all the rest had a funnel shape to the single freight elevator and an uphill ramp to the bank of elevators the sky lobby.
Originally posted by slank
Architect to Builder "Yeah it can withstand the impact of a plane, of course the basement will explode when it does."
Originally posted by Phoenix
Sorry CM but the compression (impact) wave through steel (columns) travels at several thousands of feet per second due to its high density as compared to air where sound travels at the comparatively slow speed of 600mph.
The energy would indeed transmit quickly to the basement levels where some of it would reconvert to sound energy, as the tower swayed several times (according to survivors) that energy also would have transmitted to the foundation possibly accounting for the description of multiple explosions described by the janitor.
Originally posted by Lanotom
Would you be so kind as to add a link to the "plenty of footage"?
But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"
David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.
William Rodriguez worked on the basement level of the north tower and was in the building when the first plane struck his building.
"We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off."