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reply posted on 13-8-2003 @ 04:01 PM by MKULTRA
No prob seeker


But are you trying to tell me that you don't think it's stupid for Alex Jones to go on and on about high crimes, and not supply the necessary undisputable evidence?


I just want to say that it is perfectly normal to demand evidence. However, unless Alex Jones posts at this site, it will be difficult to get his particular evidence unless it is widely available. It is not our job to defend Alex Jones' theories. That is for Alex Jones to continue to do. And as you mentioned, he has been selling several videos (some I've seen) to release his theory.

Sometimes the evidence is simply a link to a news article. You read the article and wonder if you are getting the complete story. You begin to formulate hypotheses about the "players" involved.

For example, lets say that you read this on a very reputable website:

The presidential candidate with the most royal genes and chromosomes has, up to now, always won the White House,”


abcnews.go.com...

A little unusual, but probably just a coincidence.

Then you see another story:

Is this a surprise? More than a year after David Icke and other freedom-loving researchers exposed these bloodlines, Reuter's New Service determines the information newsworthy. Perhaps a bit late for the readers of news and articles on the David Icke site, but for the sheeple who think their votes count it may be worthwhile.


www.davidicke.net...

So this guy David Icke predicted that Bush would win the election based on a theory that he has regarding these bloodlines and their political influence throughout history. And then he wins the election, it was a landslide, right?

So at this point I'm thinking to myself, "this is completely insane". Then I start reading a bit of David Icke's work. It is a provocative theory and the man has obsessively done his homework.

If you haven't check it out yet, get Icke's book, "The Biggest Secret". I got my copy at Borders.

Anyways, here is some of Alex Jones' evidence. It is his website:

www.prisonplanet.com...

And here is the official Northwoods document in PDF format:

www.prisonplanet.com...


reply posted on 13-8-2003 @ 04:19 PM by MKULTRA
Well, after sitting there getting more and more pissed off because my stepdad was standing there saying, "Yeah....uh huh. Sure....blah, blah..." like he would not even listen to it long enough to see if any of it made any sense, I decided to try and find this supposed documented proof that Roosevelt did indeed know the date and location of the attack. Well, I've still yet to find anything.


The emotional reaction that your stepdad is reported to have had is typical of most americans. It is a reaction that is rooted, in my opinion, in fear of the implication of such a theory if it were found to be true.

It is easy to grumble away the facts of life. Honestly, there are certainly more important, practical things than silly conspiracy theories. My suspicion is that despite the evidence you present, you will not be able to do much to sway his opinion. Of course, I could be wrong (and hope that I am). Just realize that some people can't handle it, for whatever reason.

These political incidents are routinely covered up and the general population only gets a snippet of the truth. Remember that in order to create a political incident, a number of people must be involved. However in the end, only one or two people end up taking the fall (i.e. McKinley, JFK, RFK assassinations). These are patterns: are they intentional or accidental? Look at the coincidences between similar historical events. Are those coincidences really coincidences, or do the individuals involved share a common theme or trait?

Anyways, here's a bit of info about the Pearl Harbor incident that I found:

Beginning on November 30, 1941, Magic revealed that Japanese embassies were receiving instructions to destroy ciphers, codes and secret documents. On December 6, the well-known “fourteen part message” to Japanese diplomats in Washington was intercepted in English. The message conveyed Japan’s rejection of the Hull 10-point ultimatum of November 26, 1941. When President Roosevelt was shown the December 6 message, he is reported to have said, “This means war.” Equally important, however, is the so-called “one o’clock message.” This followed delivery of the fourteen-part message and specified the precise time in Washington, 1:00 p.m. EST, December 7, 1941 when Japanese diplomats were to deliver their message to the U.S. government. That was 7:30 Pearl Harbor time; the Japanese attack began about twenty-five minutes later.

At a minimum, Kimmel should have been warned that the Japanese were collecting targeting intelligence on military installations in Hawaii and particularly on the Pacific Fleet based there; he could have learned of the intended method of the Japanese attack (the use of air-dropped torpedoes); and, he could have been alerted to the intended time of the attack. None of this information was forwarded to Admiral Kimmel at Pearl.

At the AIM luncheon, Thomas Kimmel told of another intelligence indicator that could have warned of an attack on Pearl Harbor. A German spy had been tasked to collect information on anti-torpedo nets in use at Pearl Harbor, apparently for use by the Japanese in their planning for the use of airdropped torpedoes in their attack.

However, the spy, Dusko Popov, was a double agent working for British intelligence. He gave them a copy of the questionnaire he had been given by the Germans; British intelligence passed it on to the FBI. The existence of this questionnaire was concealed until 1983, when it was finally declassified.


www.aim.org...



reply posted on 13-8-2003 @ 04:32 PM by MKULTRA
While he may very well be correct about alot of things, he has so many unprecedented theories, that most people place him in the quack category very quickly.


I agree. Let us look to history for a moment:

"Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve around these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun.
Living beings inhabit these worlds."

--Giordano Bruno, Italian monk of the sixteenth century.

At the invitation of a Venetian nobleman, Giovanni Moncenigo, Bruno returned to Italy as his private tutor. In 1592 Moncenigo denounced Bruno to the Inquisition, which tried him for heresy. Turned over to the Roman authorities, he was imprisoned for some eight years while questioning proceeded on charges of blasphemy, immoral conduct, and heresy. Refusing to recant, Bruno was burned at the stake in Campo dei Fiori on February 17, 1600. Late in the 19th century, a statue was erected on the site of his martyrdom to the cause of free thought.


www.setileague.org...

Public reaction to outlandish theories have been even more severe than ridicule. However, modern scientific instruments have already verified many of Bruno's statements. Was the Church right or wrong in their decision to burn him at the stake?

Even Galileo ran into some troubles. Mind you that many of his discoveries were made through a scientific instrument.

Shortly after publication of Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief Systems of the World - Ptolemaic and Copernican the Inquisition banned its sale and ordered Galileo to appear in Rome before them. Illness prevented him from travelling to Rome until 1633. Galileo's accusation at the trial which followed was that he had breached the conditions laid down by the Inquisition in 1616. However a different version of this decision was produced at the trial rather than the one Galileo had been given at the time. The truth of the Copernican theory was not an issue therefore; it was taken as a fact at the trial that this theory was false. This was logical, of course, since the judgement of 1616 had declared it totally false.

Found guilty, Galileo was condemned to lifelong imprisonment, but the sentence was carried out somewhat sympathetically and it amounted to house arrest rather than a prison sentence. He was able to live first with the Archbishop of Siena, then later to return to his home in Arcetri, near Florence, but had to spend the rest of his life watched over by officers from the Inquisition. In 1634 he suffered a severe blow when his daughter Virginia, Sister Maria Celeste, died. She had been a great support to her father through his illnesses and Galileo was shattered and could not work for many months. When he did manage to restart work, he began to write Discourses and mathematical demonstrations concerning the two new sciences.


www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk...


So even in the example of Astronomy, you see a pattern begin to emerge: the suppression of knowledge through organizational means. This pattern continues in many other areas.



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