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Originally posted by CTID56092
Obviously they have things to hide - even the Nazis allowed visits!!
Originally posted by cavscout
When is Europe going to get it? We do not worship the UN, the UN did not grant the U.S. (or any nation) authority, and we will not yield to the UN unless we feel like it. The UN may have been a good idea, but it has proven itself useless and harmful.
I guess what I am trying to say is who cares?
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Yeah, we should allow people who have made up their minds that we are guilty of torture before they even requested for any visit. We have allowed journalists, senators and congressman to the Base it snot like we have anything to hide we just don't like the UN.
Obviously they have things to hide - scared of opening the prison to an outside independent body!!
Originally posted by SportyMB
The UN, an independent body!!!! Hah, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
Originally posted by CTID56092
Why not? You ignore all other laws when it suits you.
For years you've used the UN to justify your illegal wars / ensured it never censured your nazi puppet state. When the UN finally has a DG who'll stand up to you & declare your crusade illegal you smear him and say the UN 'needs reform'.
Arrogance? No sir, I am a realist. I don't think the US is necessarily better than any other nation but I do think it is different. We are a collection of hundreds of millions of humans who have only a few things in common, and that is that we live better than most of the world and we don't take kindly to others attempting to rule us. We didn’t like Europe telling us what to do centuries ago and nothing has changed. We are independent; we do not have thousands of years worth of royal and papist control making us think we need strong leadership dictating every part of our lives. We are independent, and we will be damned if some tiny island nation, a bunch of cheese loving perverts and a defeated country we still occupy full off alcoholics who don’t like to bathe and urinate on the city streets are going to tell us what to do and who to kill, no matter what international control agency they are worshiping this week.
Your arrogance is almost a breath-taking as your ignorance.
You may care when China invades Taiwan using 'we're big and can do what we like' excuse.
Originally posted by DenyAllKnowledge
So basically, complain when another nation doesn't allow U.N. inspectors access (of course this is generally made a moot point since the US doesn't believe them anyway), and complain when the U.N. inspectors want to have a look at something run by the US.
[edit on 24-6-2005 by DenyAllKnowledge]
Originally posted by Djarums
If there was in fact such horrible mistreatment of prisoners there, then it is up to the US government to punish the people responsible.
What exactly do you all think a UN inspection will accomplish? The answer is nothing.
Understand this, once and for all. The complaints are NOT about physical facilities at Gitmo. The complaints are NOT about window size, or paint color, or lack of couches.
The complaints are about mistreatment, physically and/or mentally, in terrible ways by troops towards detainees. If that IS going on, are you insane enough to believe that it would continue to go on in front of "UN Inspectors" with cameras writing reports? Do you think that the "Koran flushing" incidents, if true, would be done in front of said inspectors?
Inspections are done for physical reasons, facilities etc. Not behavior, because it's pretty darn sure that people would behave differently with outsiders around.
Please give it a rest and learn how to distinguish political rhetoric from an actual desire for action. This inspection would accomplish next to nothing anyways. It would fast become a contest. In the blue corner we have the US government attempting to make sure all the prisoners are smiling and look in good shape. In the red corner we have detainees who wish to get out yelling about all sorts of awful things. Who will win?
Chances are the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
[edit on 6-24-2005 by Djarums]