Lawsuit Claims US manufactured the AIDS Virus

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posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by astroblade
and i suggest, Ocelot, you stop regurgitating what the conspiracy theorists tell you. if the disease was first spread in africa then why did the first cases appear in america?


did you even bother reading my post? I said the dissease first appeared in Africa AND Major american cities. I did however forget to add the cities which were san francisco, los angeles and NYC since they have a rather substantial homosexual population. And no I am not regurgitating anything. Everything I wrote in my post I've researched. Anyways im not here to convince you of anything. I quit trying to do that on ATS since it's a waste of my time. I was however stating what I believe to be true on the subject based on my reading and reasearch. If you believe the same as I do then fine, if you don't that's fine too. I really don't care one way or the other.




posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 02:37 AM
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If you look at who it targets then the possibility isn't that remote, i think there is a reason Africa and the Gay community is hit the hardest by this disease. Coincidence ?



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
If you look at who it targets then the possibility isn't that remote, i think there is a reason Africa and the Gay community is hit the hardest by this disease. Coincidence ?


It's not a coincidence. Black Africans and Homosexuals were targeted on purpose to test out the virus. Do some reading on it. You can find tons of info online as well as here on ATS. Do a search on past threads, you'll find all kinds of opinions on this.



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 03:44 PM
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It’s still a theory you cant prove it, if you could stop being so ignorant you would see that the U.S. government had nothing to do with aids. But of course if you wanted to believe something so bad even if the facts were staring you in the face you still wouldn't see them



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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HIV/AIDS is linked to a disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD). I've researched FMD extensively and concluded that it's evolution to AIDS resulted from a natural mutation process. Now I'm not so sure.

The mutation pathway involves a misfolded protein called "a-smooth muscle actin (a-SMA)," likely an infectious prion, which can access cells in virtually any species or kingdom via similar actin proteins in the cytoskeleton or cell membrane.

Some of my research is posted here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


...Much of this is basic biology - as is the actin mutation pathway. It would not be hard to engineer hybrids - and would be quite tempting to a certain mindset. FYI - all the diseases related to FMD, and involving a-SMA, are VERY slowly progressive. Most research I've read about bio-waepons says only corporate interests have the ability and inclination to use slowly progressive bioweapons - for untraceable economic take-overs.

Comments anyone?

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posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ocelot
It's not a coincidence. Black Africans and Homosexuals were targeted on purpose to test out the virus. Do some reading on it. You can find tons of info online as well as here on ATS. Do a search on past threads, you'll find all kinds of opinions on this.

Ahh thanks! That perfectly explains why it's so prevelant in places like China and Russia. Thanks for clearing that up



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
It’s still a theory you cant prove it, if you could stop being so ignorant you would see that the U.S. government had nothing to do with aids. But of course if you wanted to believe something so bad even if the facts were staring you in the face you still wouldn't see them


Really you’re passing the word ignorant around? Any smart person will admit they are Ignorant. All we ever read from you is "Blame America First" retort. The fact is our government does in fact do evil things. We have experimented on our on civilians before Google it they even admit they have. Flu viruses anyway to see how a virus would spread in a city, the reason being protection in their eyes. You still think our government is holier then thou? Where are the Weapons of Mass destruction? WestPoint23 just like so many others here on ATS who defend our government’s actions on a daily basis and call us ignorant stupid, etc. We where right about Iraq, and Ocelot was one of those people that were right and the theory he talks about is sound. You have been wrong time and time again. When are you going to wise up or are you going to pass Ignorance and run straight for stupidity, or are you already there? Like I said the Kool-Aid drink it up fox news is good news.

[edit on 22-6-2005 by DiRtYDeViL]



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 05:04 PM
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I think this guy is a fruitcake, but his phone number is in the article. Why not see if you can get him to do a podcast?



Dr. Boyd Ed Graves can be reached at 619-578-3254



[edit on 2005/6/22 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 05:25 PM
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1969:
On June 9, 1969, Dr. D.M. McArtor, then Deputy Director
of Research and Technology for the Department of Defense,
appeared before the House Subcommittee on Appropriations
to request funding for a project to produce a synthetic biological
agent for which humans have not yet acquired a natural immunity.
Dr. McArtor asked for $10 million dollars to produce this agent
over the next 5-10 years. The Congressional Record reveals that
according to the plan for the development of this germ agent,
the most important characteristic of the new disease would be
"that it might be refractory [resistant] to the immunological and
therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our
relative freedom from infectious disease". AIDS first appeared
as a public health risk ten years later.

www.world-action.co.uk...

I'm inclined to agree with sofi on the inclination being held by the corporate world. One only really needs to spend some time researching the various prescription drug companies and the monetary value of their industry........

Edit to include the ATS timeline on biological/chemicals.....
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 22-6-2005 by MemoryShock]



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 06:39 PM
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The fact is our government does in fact do evil things.


Only in necessity, and it still does not mean that we can blame everything that we can’t explain on our government like AIDS/HIV which is a global epidemic?



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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Maybe if we seperate HIV from AIDS, maybe we might see a bigger picture....

There was a time here at ATS, where this user, mongoose, came up with this question thread:
Is HIV Actually Harmless??

Supposedly, HIV does not cause AIDS, since an infected human immune system will naturally create anti-HIV to fight off the HIV. It becomes AIDS until an person infected with HIV or (anti-HIV), take these "Loaded" nanites...I mean drugs such as AZT which supposed to help cope with the disease...



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 07:00 PM
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Here's a link to an ATSNN article that talks about a new genetic therapy that may be the cure for AIDS/HIV.....www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 12:48 AM
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The US government can do everything. Last I heard the US government made a lake disappear in Russia. I'm not kidding, they made a whole lake vanish. Why? Because they can that's why!



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:39 AM
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Supposedly, HIV does not cause AIDS, since an infected human immune system will naturally create anti-HIV to fight off the HIV. It becomes AIDS until an person infected with HIV or (anti-HIV), take these "Loaded" nanites...I mean drugs such as AZT which supposed to help cope with the disease...


Which doesn't explain at all the cases of AIDS developing in patients who have never taken preventative or therapeutic HIV antivirals.

If this was the case, then surely everyone with HIV who didn't take the drugs, would remain free from the AIDS symptoms?

And we know that's not the case.



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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Its just a bloody good money making scheme........

In 1969 you get a guy that wants to create a 'virus' that takes on the human immune and destroys it. Low and behold ten years later that same 'kind' of virus is let loose "so to speak".

Why not just find out who would benefit from releasing such a fatal and deadly 'virus'.

I would say, going on the 'evidence' just on this thread alone that there is something we don't know about AIDs. I'm not just going to start pointing fingers at the US but I will most def. point fingers in the direction of the money making bankers. There is always a profit to be made from something



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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As my wife said, it is just a lawsuit. You can file one on anyone about anything at anytime.



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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Look at it another way.

The older we get, the more likely we are to need longer term healthcare. If you're going to kill off large numbers of people, you've just removed that potential medical goldmine.

If it's all about money....then it'd be logical to conclude that the most prudent way of doing so would be to keep folk alive....and thus generate income over a much longer term.

You can't exactly get paid from a corpse...



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Look at it another way.

The older we get, the more likely we are to need longer term healthcare. If you're going to kill off large numbers of people, you've just removed that potential medical goldmine.

If it's all about money....then it'd be logical to conclude that the most prudent way of doing so would be to keep folk alive....and thus generate income over a much longer term.

You can't exactly get paid from a corpse...


No, but the pharm companies are making a killing literally.

BTW have you heard of reproduction........Notice how the infected parent can pass on the virus. Therefore they also need permanent medical attention every living day from the cradle to the grave, so to speak..........Geeee no one is making money there.


Also notice how we have not got a permenent cure for AIDs but we can hold them off...........for a while.

I wonder how much money pharm companies have made since the introduction of AIDs.


Hey look.....I don't want to believe it anymore than you but it is only opinionation and not a 'fact'........Yet.



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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I honestly don't care if I get a warn for this, but to the fools that think that the american government is incapable of doing this, fabrication of the HIV virus are in complete denial. What other government has such a huge BLACK budget? that NO ONE gets to know what the funds are used for? Annother very foolish quote was that polio and TB and other deseases have been irradicated. I really hope that was said as a jest, for the truth is that Polio is making a resounding comeback in the world, I suggest you simply google some of the crap that you spew out of your mouths before you look even more foolish. Look at your government lie out its face about everything lately, hell, ALL governments are going crazy with the propaganda reciently. Mainly due to the fact that the FACTS are coming out now because rational people are finally using their minds. Governments are corrupt. Period. They don't care about anything but money. Nothing. The entire planet is dying, and for all you idiots that are having children before this all gets settled....I hope you can live with yourselves as you watch them die in the next 20-30 years as this planets ecosphere colapses and most of us die.



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that pharmaceutical companies are in it for money....they are a business, not a charity.

That's a bit of a no-brainer.

And yes, I've heard of reproduction


Of course, it'd be really quite nice if there was any evidence of the government conspiracy relating to this.

Peter Duersberg doesn't count


Edit: Murundi? I'm going to quote George Carlin. "Calm down, have some dip". There's no need for the hostility, dude




[edit on 23-6-2005 by Tinkleflower]





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