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posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 10:09 AM
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Many times we heard that terrorists from iraq announced something on their website. Anybody knows names of these websites?? If it's not possible to provide such information here I ask admins not to delete my post but to block it and if anybody of you knows anything about this topic just send my private message. I'm interested in this case because of this info:

news.yahoo.com.../ap/20050621/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_suicide_bombers




posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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Better you don`t go there as there sites a monitored closely when they are found.The main problem is due to that they move to new sites.Most of them though only contain propoganda rather than instructions that you could clearly read.You would need to have an extremly good understanding of the arabic language and local dialogues as well as code breaking.There`s no real point knowing or visiting these sites as without the language translation would be difficult.Visitors are logged and files opened,some site are run by various people to locate people of interest.May not be worth getting that kind of attention.



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 12:03 PM
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I would be careful at what you look at. Most of these type of sites are known and monitered by the relevant bodies.

try this link to the Home ffice in the UK, its got some good details on it, and you should be OK to browse through it.

www.homeoffice.gov.uk...



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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The sites are fluctuating quite often, and many of the more stable ones, from what I understand, are message boards. They're all in arabic anyway. Without the fonts, it'll look like jibberish. With the fonts, it will look like arabic jibberish, and in reality, it'll just be a buch of unconfirmed posters saying all sorts of stuff.



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 12:45 PM
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I find this useful when reading any Arabic web sites etc.

www.systranet.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:10 PM
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If you're still interested in finding these sites, it's possible to find them if your willing to do some reading, and searching on your behalf. Allthough I will reconfirm what every one has allready said.

You're better off not going to these websites, as they're closely watched by authorities, and it's VERY hard to make sense of anything without an understanding of the arab language.

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I was lucky enough to have a friend who speaks/reads/writes pakistani translate these sites for me. Most of the business is contained to message board interaction. To regular people like you, and I, it seems like the usual "anti-american rederick, and videos of insurgents fighting"... but in reality, half the stuff they say, and show has duel meanings, and code words/names... for instance you'll regularly see stuff like:

"May Allah curse those American dogs! Soon the red eagle will descend upon the head of the serpant, and allahs glory will be fulfilled."

That was just a made up(fictional) example, but for the most part thats how we (My friend, and I) think it works. (they use code words, as an "early warning system") The gov't probly has tons of analyst that trog through this stuff daily, looking for meanings/clues/leads.

If you're into this type of stuff check out NEIN. Laura Mansfield is the one that actually inspired us to do a little bit of "Independant/Amateur Analyst" work ourselves. Honestly I haven't been back to any of the muslim websites in a while though... I don't want to get associated with the wrong group of people (the terrorist), when the feds start checking out reocurring IP's on those message boards, lol.

(Even though I "lol", it's a very serious risk you take when you choose to go to those types of sites. Be smart, just look (if you feel you must), and let the proffesional analyst do their job. I strongly advise against participating on their message boards... Hell... I strongly advise going there in the first place. I myself am not going back any time soon.)



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:27 PM
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"The gov't probly has tons of analyst that trog through this stuff daily, looking for meanings/clues/leads."

Ha Ha, yea right.



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by AdamJ
"The gov't probly has tons of analyst that trog through this stuff daily, looking for meanings/clues/leads."

Ha Ha, yea right.


I bet they do. Imagine: Thousands of net savvy, intelligent, conspiracy tuned people scouring the news 24/7 analyzing everything to hit the web, consolidating their findings in one neat little place separated into organized categories. No joke, I bet the government spends hours here a day. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have some dedicated personnel or programs monitoring this place continuously. Now that I think of it, it would be stupid NOT to do it.

This is also a great place to monitor the "temperature" of the waters so to speak. To get a general feeling of how things and news is going over among the skeptical.

Who knows, you maybe reading a reply from a government agent right now...



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 02:26 PM
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"The gov't probly has tons of analyst that trog through this stuff daily, looking for meanings/clues/leads."


When I said "this stuff", I didn't mean this stuff as in ATS. I meant this stuff, as in terrorist websites, listening for "chatter", or anything else they can find. Like I said earlier, in my theory extremist websites act as an "early warning system". The extremist use it to indirectly warn their own people against attack...

If you're trying to locate actual Al Queda officers, issuing orders, chances are it's not found on message boards at all... most likely its done through multiple layers of middle men, and cell phones. Probly along the lines of: "The phone rings, and I never know whos on the other end, I just follow the orders the voice gives me."



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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"The gov't probly has tons of analyst that trog through this stuff daily, looking for meanings/clues/leads."

Ha Ha, yea right.


Actually, they do... Reference the FBIS (division of the CIA), Foreign Broadcast Information Service....
I wouldn't be surprised if there was an NSA counterpart for this as well tasked with similar responsibilities but with the NSA mission in mind.

Echoing above, I'd really recommend going to such sites with care, as you could be building a case against yourself, should anyone ever put a finger to you for ANYTHING.....



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 09:02 AM
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When I said "this stuff", I didn't mean this stuff as in ATS. I meant this stuff, as in terrorist websites, listening for "chatter", or anything else they can find.

oh for goodness sake.

no real war on terrorism exists, at least not one you know about.

anyone monitoring 'websites' is just some low paid immigrant bum working in overcrowded gov offices somewhere, who probably spends 95% of his day browsing porn anyway.

also any self respecting terrorist has got better things to do with his day than spend it updating his firewall, and browsing terroristplanet.com's forum telling all fellow extremeists who'll listen about his new plan to suicide nuke washington dc.

it is one of the most ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous things i have ever heard in my life.
webistes are for businesmen and politicans, they are not for muslim suicide terrorist extremists.



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
Who knows, you maybe reading a reply from a government agent right now...


That was uncalled for, Skippy. Why would you (of all people) put down your intelligence community with a comment like that.

you should be ashamed.



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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Actually Adam, if you do a little research on your own, you'ld be surprised what you can find online in regards to "terrorist activity"...


webistes are for businesmen and politicans, they are not for muslim suicide terrorist extremists.


the BBC would like to disagree with you.
HPC too..
NEIN would also like to disagree with you...

Then again "Websites are not for suicide terrorist extremist"...

that must be why al queda also publishes an "online terrorist training manual" in .PDF format as well... these manuals cover everything from kidnappings, to the proper way to hold an MP5, and AK47, to the proper way to "behead an infadel" along with graphic photos. I've seen, and looked over the manuals... with a little bit of know how, and know where, it's not hard to find them... I did not post the name, or any links to the manuals for a reason. If you'ld like more info about it feel free to post, and I'll provide whatever info you'ld like.

I honestly don't know what terroristplanet.com is... nor do I want to find out. The websites you go to find "terrorist" won't be american, I can assure you of that. If you wan't a good start in finding terrorist websites I suggest starting off on islamic; saudi websites... follow ALL the links you come across, and read what you can translate. Sure enough if you follow the path long enough you'll find yourself in over your head way before you know it.

Hmmm... the nick berg video... as well as 99% of the other beheading videos were also found on "terrorist websites"... with the exception of 1-2 vids.

oh yeah thats right. Only business men, and politicians use them.

Ever hear of terrorist 007, aka Irhabi? If not I suggest you do a google on him. I'll point out a specific link, and a funny quote from it.

Give this a looksie... -> Al Qaeda Messages Posted on U.S. Gov't Server

Heres a non-related quote...


According to a 23-year CIA veteran who has anonymously criticized U.S. counterterrorism policy in a recently published book, "Al Qaeda's most important growth since the 11 September attacks has not been physical but has been, rather, its expansion into the Internet." In his book, "Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror," the author says the United States and its allies have staged "information warfare attacks" on some Internet sites, "thereby forcing them off-line and making their producers hunt for new host servers."


Politicians, and business men...

I think I've proven my point...

If you want me to go further I can...

Would you like me to post a link to the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade website next?


Sadly enough I'm not joking about that... hmmm, perhaps you'ld like the Hamas, or Palistinian Islamic Jihad websites instead? Never mind... terrorist don't use the internet... only politicians, and business men...

(I didn't link to any of the above mentioned sites on purpose. If you really do want links as proof that these sites DO exist, feel free to ask, and I'll post them up if it's ok with a mod. As I said earlier however... it's best to AVOID these sites... as each time you connect to them you just make yourself look like a "suspect" more, and more. Despite what your intentions were... curiosity CAN kill the cat in this situation.)

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cjf

posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by AdamJ
it is one of the most ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous things i have ever heard in my life.
webistes are for businesmen and politicans, they are not for muslim suicide terrorist extremists.



You might want to try looking into the subject further such as here (for a start) before you dismiss facts and resign to quickly by burying your head in the sand ….also use the contact information to ask questions as they do answer and relatively quick.


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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:39 PM
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SITE's an excellent resource if you're into this type of thing... I ordered "terrorist hunter" through their amazon.com account. It was a great read...

Just thought I'd add that.

Adam, I'd have no problem bringing more evidence to the table if you still have any doubt as to the presence of terrorist on the web...

If you still have any doubt in your mind despite what I, and cjf, have posted, just let me know... I'll try my best to dispell any doubt you may have... This goes for you, or any one else...

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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 07:09 PM
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Actually Adam, if you do a little research on your own, you'ld be surprised what you can find online in regards to "terrorist activity"...

that must be why al queda also publishes an "online terrorist training manual" in .PDF format as well... these manuals cover everything from kidnappings, to the proper way to hold an MP5, and AK47, to the proper way to "behead an infadel" along with graphic photos. I've seen, and looked over the manuals... with a little bit of know how, and know where, it's not hard to find them... I did not post the name, or any links to the manuals for a reason. If you'ld like more info about it feel free to post, and I'll provide whatever info you'ld like.

I honestly don't know what terroristplanet.com is... nor do I want to find out. The websites you go to find "terrorist" won't be american, I can assure you of that. If you wan't a good start in finding terrorist websites I suggest starting off on islamic; saudi websites... follow ALL the links you come across, and read what you can translate. Sure enough if you follow the path long enough you'll find yourself in over your head way before you know it.


I do know that supposedly 'terrorist' websites exist, and i was suprised to learn so when i found out some time ago.
It is difficult to describe what i ment by my post, but i wasnt rejecting the fact that these websites do exist.
It was more my exclamation of suprise at just how far the people behind this scam are prepared to go and how obvious they are making it that it is a scam.
These websites shouldnt exist.
Let me tell you something, if Al Qaeda does have a website and an online training manual, then the whole war on terrorism is as bogus as they come. I have had grave suspitions but that would be the final straw for me.

Who finances such a situation? what are the implications regarding who was responsible for september 11? ill say one thing, which government?thats what id like to know.


Hmmm... the nick berg video... as well as 99% of the other beheading videos were also found on "terrorist websites"... with the exception of 1-2 vids.

Now that i didnt know, but it is very interesting information in relation to their validity.

Heres a non-related quote...


According to a 23-year CIA veteran who has anonymously criticized U.S. counterterrorism policy in a recently published book, "Al Qaeda's most important growth since the 11 September attacks has not been physical but has been, rather, its expansion into the Internet." In his book, "Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror," the author says the United States and its allies have staged "information warfare attacks" on some Internet sites, "thereby forcing them off-line and making their producers hunt for new host servers."



Yes well he is admitting that the United States carries out its own cyber-terrorism there, though i fail to see why they would want to attack terrorist sites, interesting, i will look into that.
In any case i fancy the 'Al Qaeda' this guy is refering to is not the Al Qaeda you are thinking of. Based on this satement; "The websites you go to find "terrorist" won't be american, I can assure you of that."
The current media explanation of Al Qaeda is that is worldwide 'network' with 'cells' all over the world. (diggin a deep rabbit whole moment again)
So since it is not a case of nationality or language, im not sure why you believe that no Al Qaeda operatives live in America or even speak/write/read 'American.'



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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Not once in this thread did I ever mention that "Al queda" has a website. Every time I mentioned an islamic militant website, I used the term "Terrorist website" never implying that the site was owned, and maintained by Al queda. Infact in my second post I said:


If you're trying to locate actual Al Queda officers, issuing orders, chances are it's not found on message boards at all... most likely its done through multiple layers of middle men, and cell phones.


Indicating to a degree, a lacking of Al queda presence on the web. To my knowledge al queda does not have an active website that they own, or maintain. However it is KNOWN that they do have alot of media (in the form of video files of combat, interviews, recruiting videos, training files) that they do move from server to server (mostly located in Saudi Arabia, and South East Asia). However their is no website to my knowledge.


Al Battar; their online training manual is some of that media that I mentioned above. They usually move it to a server (South East Asia ones are commonly used for Al Battar), and then post the link on "terrorist website" message boards. It's the same thing that happened with the Nick Berg video (which I also believe was found on a SE Asia server) they (The terrorist responsible) upload it to a server, and then post the link on their supporters message boards.

These message boards can be found in various places, on different servers. They change servers frequently because they get shut down alot, to my knowledge... an example of one of these "terrorist sites" according to SITE, is the palistinian islamic jihad website. If I remember correctly I found the link to the Nick Berg video via this sites message board. Afterwhich it soon found it's way to sites like Ogrish.

If you'ld like more info on Al Battar check out Laura Mansfield's write up on Issue 6 of Al Battar... infact if I remember correctly Issue number 7 had a bounty on George Bush's head, as well as Tony Blaires head. I'm not exactly sure, it could've been a later issue.


I never stated that "no Al Qaeda operatives live in America or even speak/write/read 'American'". Thats putting words in my mouth.

I said that "The websites you go to find "terrorist" won't be american, I can assure you of that." ... as in the websites, (and the servers they originate from) will never be found in the US. It is possible, but highly unlikely in my mind.

I couldn't tell you exactly why they don't use american websites, or servers; allthough one could easily assume that it's for safety reasons. If your files are located half way across the world in some Saudi Server, it's sorta hard for the Feds to confiscate it without a hastle. If you look at the majority of "islamic militant websites"/"terrorist websites" most if not all of them are located in either the middle east (mainly Saudi Arabia), or South East asia (used quite often as well, which goes along with your "international thing"). To my knowledge, the only authentic "terrorist websites" (or in this case media related to one), found on US servers was the "terrorist 007" incident, in which files were stored (by remote access, I believe) on Arkansas DOT servers.

Yes, most of the beheading videos were found on "terrorist websites". As I said earlier with the nick burg file... the terrorist get the video to a server, and then post the link on their supporters message boards. These sites I also consider "terrorist sites". These are the ones I feel serve as an "early warning system, that I mentioned before.

You mentioned that you wonder who finances this operation. I honestly couldn't tell you... allthough I honestly don't think it's that hard. If Al queda can manage to send terrorist to flight school to learn to flly planes, I imagine they could also send a terrorist or three to a cheap community college for basic IT skills. Supposdley Al Queda has a fleet of about 12-15 freighters... If they can manage to fuel, operate, and maintain some large ships, I wouldn't worry about their ability to operate, and maintain a couple of servers located through out the middle east, and south east asia. Probly a couple in the US, and Europe for all we know too.

You also say that theirs no reason for these sites to exist? Why do you feel that way? The Irish republican army has had websites in the past (which seem to all be 404 errors now)... hell even the Chechens have a website...

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posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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An online training manual? give me a break

sounds more like an army than a terrorist group to me.

i think the whole thing is a front, seeing as nobody knows who they really are.

lots of people in the middle east distrust america, it means nothing. They can write all they like on websites or in terrorist newspapers, it means nothing.
Anyone serious about taking out any real terrorist group gets down to the real nitty gritty, the funding, the backers and the location.
thats the real stuff, not monitoring websites.

They have two sections in prison here in the UK, one for people who mouth off all the time about what they are going to do but are largely harmless, the other for people who wont say anything they'll just turn around and slit your throat.
There is a psychological difference between the two, which is why i believe real terrorists dont have websites, anyone with a website is interested in politics not terrorism.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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They can write all they like on websites or in terrorist newspapers, it means nothing...

people who mouth off all the time about what they are going to do but are largely harmless...


Normally both of those statements would be true. If terrorist websites were just full of "anti-american writing", and "Calls for jihad"; I'd probly agree with you 100%...

In this case it's different though. The fact that they've actually issued authentic videos of them actively engaging coalition forces, as well as beheading, and/or executing living captives with a bullet to the back of the skull speaks otherwise.

Anyone can make a website, and say anything on it. I can make a site, and say I'm gonna wage jihad on ATS... without action it's nothing though.

Yet, if I start a website saying I'm gonna wage jihad on ATS, and then 2 weeks later I upload a video to my website showing my friend decapitating 2 moderators, or shooting an RPG at the ATS server, it's a totally different story.


I'm beggining to get a nagging doubt, that anything I say, or any evidence I bring forth to the table will be brushed off as "a front".

Further more... you can't just dismiss an entire website (or 4000 of them) just because you don't know who made it. We don't know who made this website does this mean we can just say it's a front? Does this make the clan exist any less, than it allready does?

As I said before... I'm beggining to feel no matter what I bring to the table, you'll just keep your eyes shut.


Lets make the lights brighter; shall we?

The capture of alleged al-Qaeda computer expert Mohamed Naem Noor Khan by the Pakistani authorities in July brought with it an unprecedented haul of high-tech intelligence.(Source: BBC)

With the recent spate of kidnappings and killings in Iraq and in Saudi Arabia, militants have made the internet their main channel of communication.(Source: BBC)

Al Qaeda suspect reveals communication strategy(Source: CNN)

Evidence strongly suggests that terrorists used the Internet to plan their operations for 9/11. Computers seized in Afghanistan reportedly revealed that al Qaeda was collecting intelligence on targets and sending encrypted messages via the Internet.(Source: carlisle-www.army.mil?)

Al-Qaeda: Internet activities(Source: Wikipedia)

Five European governments are setting up a hi-tech team to monitor how terrorists and criminals use the net.(Source: BBC)

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