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Originally posted by expert999
maybe some of you evolutionists dont know all of what you believe, so im going to show you.
life had to evolve from non-living material if evolution is true. that plays a part in evolution. in order to get the rest of the universe, the rest of the universe has to evolve, you cant just skip all of those steps.
Evolution IS true
When people hear the word "evolution," they most commonly think of divergent evolution, the evolutionary pattern in which two species gradually become increasingly different. This type of evolution often occurs when closely related species diversify to new habitats. On a large scale, divergent evolution is responsible for the creation of the current diversity of life on earth from the first living cells. On a smaller scale, it is responsible for the evolution of humans and apes from a common primate ancestor.
Convergent evolution causes difficulties in fields of study such as comparative anatomy. Convergent evolution takes place when species of different ancestry begin to share analogous traits because of a shared environment or other selection pressure. For example, whales and fish have some similar characteristics since both had to evolve methods of moving through the same medium: water.
Parallel evolution occurs when two species evolve independently of each other, maintaining the same level of similarity. Parallel evolution usually occurs between unrelated species that do not occupy the same or similar niches in a given habitat.
Originally posted by SimonColynAdrian
There seems to be a lacking of knowledge in this post, and in all posts related to evolution, that causes all of this Bible vs Evolution nonsense.
A Theory is:
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)
First, a statement for the Bible Quoters:
A Theory is not a fact, it is a supposition.
However, the difference between a theory and your faith is that while the teachings and explanations in the Bible may be considered completely true to you, they must be accepted as fact based on your faith in their accuracy.
Second, a statement for the Bible Quoters:
The scientific method has four steps
1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.
2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.
3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.
4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.
In other words, while a Theory is not a fact, it has been studied to a point where the vast majority can accept the theory as being truthful because it has been researched, experimented upon, and shown to fit the defining points of the Theory. Religion, of any sort, cannot provide the same level of accuracy or scrutiny. You either believe, or you do not. You cannot prove God. You cannot prove creationism. While you cannot prove evolution entirely, you can use statements from the Evolution Theory, conduct experiments, and predict the results of the experiment accurately using the theory's defining factors, which is something that religion and faith cannot do.
Third, a statement for The Evolution Theorists:
STOP arguing with the Bible-thumping Creationists! It is a waste of time. I personally believe there is room in the Bible for evolution (IMO). When a child asks you, "Why is the sky blue," do you really provide the entire explanation of the way the light refracts through our atmosphere, or do you tell them "That's the way God made it," or "That's the way it is?" In the same strain of thought, do you think if God was asked "How did we get here?" by a human being, He would truly explain the wonders of the powers He has? Of course not, He'd give us an easy, understandable explanation along the lines of "Well, it took me 6 days, I made, light, the stars, the earth, the animals, the plants, man , and then woman. Then I took a break on the 7th day."
Creationism is not an acceptable argument in the scientific community, not becuase the scientific community doesn't believe in God, necessarily, but because the Creationist belief cannot be defined as a theory using the scientific method. Anyone who seriously wants to discuss the Theory of Evolution should never, ever, acknowledge the religious naysayers based on these simple facts. Responding to them in any manner other than to explain the scientific basis behind the theory is unacceptable. If they choose to not accept your explanation, then that does not make them right or wrong, merely a differing, unsupported belief. However, until anyone who believes in Creationism can follow the scientific method and develop a workable theory, the idea is unacceptable in a scientific discussion, regardless of your personal beliefs. No offense meant to the believers out there, however while science can quote many experiments, many books, and vast research, Creationism constantly uses 1 book to define it's explanations. Nobody experiments to determine whether or not the ideas in the Bible can be proven. Creationism is NOT a theory, as it does not fit the definition of theory. Period.
I hope this clears up a few things, both to the Evolutionists and the Creationists. Stop wasting each others' time. Post a thread about Creationism, Evolutionists keep out. Post a thread about Evolution, Creationists keep out. Any other attempt to argue the two factors is merely that... An attempt by one side or the other to argue two completely different ideas simply for the sake of argument. Don't be a troll, It's counterproductive to a goal.
Originally posted by expert999
read a little harder and read the KJV. its more accurate.
Originally posted by expert999
I believe "in the beginning GOD"
and you believe "in the beginning dirt or all the matter in the universe"
so when I point out that the evolution theory is a religion, I am not wrong. you dont know it happened. and if you did believe that it happened, you must believe that there is no God. and what religion associates themselves with the evolution theory?
your theory states there was a big bang. tell me how do you know this? I can tell you that no one in the world will be able to tell you how it happened, just as I dont have an explanation of where God came from. God said that he is eternal. that meaning means that he has no beginning or an end.
kinda like a circle. you will never find the beginning and you will never find the end. make sense?
kinda like the universe, its like a circle, it goes on forever. but you will never find the end, actually if you think about it. if you went out into space, and kept on going, you would probably end up back at earth.
but anyways. you all dont know what happened and how we got here, you assume that life had to generate from non-living material. and you assume the big bang happened. you dont know that. you assume that light travels at the same rate through all space and time
Originally posted by Jestaman
Also, why are some theories evil and others accepted? Also, the church said micro evolution was real, but I reead the bible, no where does it say God created everything, then used micro evolution. No, it says he ,made everything, was happy with it and rested. So, was god not happy and the bible is wrong, or was he happy and the church is wrong.
Does the Bible teach evolution?
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree. -- Genesis 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. -- Genesis 1:24
Notice that God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants and animals, rather than create them directly. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all.
But both Luther and Calvin rejected any non-literal interpretation of the creation accounts in Genesis.
Originally posted by expert999
ok zip. I dont see where you are going with this argument. there are no contradictions in the bible. if you want. give me them one by one and I will explain to you what they mean, and why they seem to be contradictive.
there is no proof the the universe is billions of years old, and there is no proof of stars forming. the only evidence that they have on stars forming, is crab nebula. and all they really see is a spot getting brighter. they havent proved the formation of one star. boils gas laws (i think its these laws) that contradict the theory of stars forming.
but go ahead and give me what you believe is a contradiction of incorrect, and I will show you how is it not what you think is it.
Originally posted by Zipdot
Here, this page lists 339 contradictions in the Bible.
You can attempt to rebut, explain, or excuse them, but you won't be the first, and that won't change the fact they still exist in the Bible.