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Originally posted by Anubis007
I remember this from a long time ago, googled it and found::::
Mitchell Bomber vs. Empire State Building
© Copyright 1999, Jim Loy
On Saturday, July 28, 1945 (a few days before the Atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima), a B-25 Mitchell bomber ran into the Empire State Building, then the tallest structure in the world. One of the two engines went through the building and out the other side, and through the roof of a 20-story building on the other side of 34th Street, starting a fire. The other engine, and part of a landing gear entered an elevator shaft and fell to the basement
Very very mature, and you being in Ireland what makes you think you know what's going on in America?
I don't sit here and try to insult your intelligence on Castles or how to drink alcohol.
Originally posted by cmdrpaddy
And just so you know, I do believe some strange things happened that day, I just don't believe they indicate a government conspiracy to intentionally let or cause the events on 11/9.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
The WTC also didn't have sprinklers in them, believe it or not. The Port Authority saved $50 million dollars by not putting them in.
NIST and the WTC
Under solicitation number SB1341-03-Q-0463, a firm fixed price purchase order has been awarded to Hughes Associates, Inc. (HAI).
Established in 1980, HAI is a fire protection engineering, research, and consulting firm whose experience includes fire hazard and risk analysis, fire modeling, fire protection design, code consulting, product development, and litigation support. HAI’s staff has earned an international reputation in the application of advanced technologies to solve both standard and unique fire protection problems.
Specific tasks related to WTC Buildings 1, 2, and 7 that the Hughes team will perform include:
1) Document the design and installation of the fire sprinkler system, standpipe system, and pre-connected hoses and compare designs to applicable code and standards requirements.
2) Document the design and capacity of the water supply systems to the fire sprinklers, including provisions for redundancy.
3) Identify and document differences in the design of the water supply, fire sprinkler system, standpipe system, and pre-connected hoses between WTC 1, 2, and 7.
4) Document the normal operation and effect of the fully functional fire sprinkler system, standpipe system, and pre-connected hoses for fire control.
5) Document the performance of the fire sprinkler system, standpipe system, and pre-connected hoses on September 11, 2001.
Originally posted by NoJustice
Hunting Veritas I respect you but these others aren't going to listen to any proof or evidence you attempt to give out. None of them had any answer to my NORAD question
NORAD is unusually prepared on 9/11 because it is conducting a weeklong, semi-annual exercise called Vigilant Guardian. [Newhouse News Service, 1/25/02] Deskins is regional Mission Crew Chief for the Vigilant Guardian exercise. [ABC News, 9/11/02] The exercise poses “an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide.” [Newhouse News Service, 1/25/02] Accounts by participants vary on whether 9/11 was the second, third, or fourth day of the exercise. [Newhouse News Service, 1/25/02; Ottawa Citizen, 9/11/02; Code One Magazine, 1/02] NORAD is also running another fighter exercise named Operation Northern Vigilance. NORAD is thus fully staffed and alert, and senior officers are manning stations throughout the US. The entire chain of command is in place and ready when the first hijacking is reported. An article later says, “In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on September 11.” [Aviation Week and Space Technology, 6/3/02; Bergen Record, 12/5/03] ABC News later reports that because NORAD is “conducting training exercises [it has] extra fighter planes on alert.” [ABC News, 9/14/02] Colonel Robert Marr, in charge of NEADS, says, “We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board.” [ABC News, 9/11/02] However, Deskins and other NORAD officials later are initially confused about whether the 9/11 attacks are real or part of the exercise. There is a National Reconnaissance Office exercise planned to occur as well, involving a scenario of an airplane as a flying weapon. [Associated Press, 8/21/02; UPI, 8/22/02]
Originally posted by HowardRoark
A sprinkler system was added sometime after the '74 fire, but I don't know the exact date.
Sprinkler standpipes are generally run up the stair towers and would have likely have been cut when the plane slammed through the building. Sprinkler pipe is typically only schedule 20, a thin walled pipe.
Furthermore, sprinkler systems are generally designed to fight typical office fires that start small by putting them out before they get too big. If too many sprinkler heads open up at once, the system depresurizes and is useless.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Also, why haven't YOU joined the army?
Originally posted by rimabo29
there is no pilot alive or dead who could navigate a plane of any size wihtout tower guidance now or then, just imagine comandeering an airliner and flying it the first time in your life, using your "visual" landmarks to guide you over upstate NY!
NO WAY could the 9/11 event happened in the way portrayed.
its easy to lie......
Originally posted by Zaphod58
When the WTC was built, it DIDN'T have a sprinkler system. The page I read that on didn't mention that there was a system later added. However, YES the sprinkler system probably DID stop working that day in 1 & 2. A large airplane cutting through the building would PROBABLY cut the pipes for the sprinkler system. Probably the only undamaged things, from the IMMEDIATE impact would have been some of the steel supports.