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Thimerosal poisoning our kids

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posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:37 PM
link" target="_blank" class="postlink">original news source
I apologize if this has already been posted, but I couldn't find it and it needs to be seen. RFK Junior is no slouch, he's been around a while and has a high profile position with the NRDF. If the allegations in this article are true, this is the most blatant abuse of power I have ever heard of, and the US's international image is giong to go a lot lower than it already is.
Thimerosal is a preservative used in vaccines when more than one dose is packaged in the same bottle, it prevents the growth of bacteria or fungi in the vaccine. Unfortunately, the drug companies neglected to consider the harmful effects it has on those being vaccinated.
Quoting the first part of the article:
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
June 16, 2005 | In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

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[edit on Sun Nov 1 2009 by DontTreadOnMe]

posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 11:43 AM
Here's another link for the article:
tainted vaccines

This is a long and well-written article that came out this month. It is well worth a read. I warn you some of the informations is rather chilling!
It involves perhaps conspiracy, but certainly deception and cover-up between some in the medical professsion, the drug industry and government.
Thimerasol, a mercury-based perservative, has been used in vaccines since 1931. Prior to 1931, autism was relatively unknown in the population. It's use was increased in the mid-1980s when it became customary to give children more vaccinations. In 1991, three additional vaccines were given to very young children. Since then, autism in children has jumped from a staggering 1 in 2500 children to a mind-numbing 1 in 166.

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[edit on 22-6-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 06:59 AM
Thanks for the links, DontTreadOnMe, I am investigating as time allows. I can't believe that there isn't a loud and pervasive screaming reaction to this. I think I am going to look into the possibility of some State-level legisletion to address this, I don't know enough yet to know what is possible, but I am concerned about the way Frist wants to protect the perpetrators.

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Big Erle
I can't believe that there isn't a loud and pervasive screaming reaction to this.

I can believe it. Our population has been brainwashed into the idea that any medicine or treatment sanctioned by the medical community is just fine.

Also, just think of how badly damaged the drug companies would be if they suddenly no longer had a market for the tons of vaccines they produce every year, not to mention the lawsuits.

No, this will be kept quiet. Nothing will be done. Those who are responsible will never be held accountable. Count on it.

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:26 AM
Oh I don't know, Ambient...Wyeth had to pay around $5 BILLION to victims harmed by phen-fen (just to use one example). It's not often that a drug company well get off lightly for this stuff. Granted, most payouts don't make the headlines....maybe that's why it seems as though they do get away with it.

Is the increase in autism cases really on the rise? Or is it another case of "more cases are being reported, where in the past many weren't, or were mistaken for something else entirely"?

This has happened before - with schizophrenia in particular.

(iow, roughly the same number of cases, but more are being noted/reported)

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Big Erle
I can't believe that there isn't a loud and pervasive screaming reaction to this.

Well, you obviously havne't been privy to many of my tyraids on this subject and theres a good reason why. Most of them are done at home after the frustration of hearing my child has hyperactive disorder most likley brought on by the high levels of mercury in the thermisol preservative.

As for any legislative action, good freakin' luck! And the kicker is, not only will you not get anything done , but if you stir too much trouble, you'll find life turning really bad for you. In my case, I have a child who needs both his parents so what will I gain by taking one away from him? Its a catch 22 right now for me anyway.

When this preservative was developed, the dangers of mercury were not know. Kids used to play with it in science class for heaven's sake. I guess they might as well since it was being injected into them during the first moments of life. Now, I'm not knocking vaccination in fact, as a nurse, my better half tells me without them many infants would not survive into adulthood but the preservative needs to be changed.

The other catch 22 is if they change it, its pretty much admitting its dangerous and that brings huge liability for drug companies because of the past harm brought on to children. Its all about the money but I for one, would be willing to not hold them liable if they would just change it for future generations. Money isn't going to make my child different but if we could make this the last generation poisoned, would it not be worth it to the future? What good would come of bankrupting companies making these vaccines?

The legislation should be directed at forcing the manufacturers of these vaccines to place much more capital on R&D to change this preservative. Maybe thats letting them off too easy but as long as their wallets are threatened, they'll do everything in the world to continue to hide it including continued assertions that its safe.

posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 07:49 AM
Forgot to add:

"Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight, is metabolized to ethyl mercury. Ethyl mercury is different from methyl mercury.
Methyl mercury, an organic form of mercury, is a neurotoxin. People are exposed to methyl mercury primarily from the consumption of seafood....One flu shot contains 25 micrograms of mercury. The small amount of mercury that you would receive over a life time of annual flu shots is well below acceptable limits set by regulatory agencies. In fact, there is much more mercury in one can of tuna fish than in one flu shot. "

(now that last bit seems moot - saying something has less toxins than something which is admittedly toxic doesn't always do much to support your safety claims

Anyway. Linky

What worries me a little more though, is the trade-off. I'm not a fan of vaccines to begin with (for various reasons. I think I worked too long in pharmaceuticals!), but I'd rather deal with the possibility of autism than the possibility of my child contracting (and spreading) chicken pox, measles, rubella, etc; these can prove to be deadly, unlike autism.

We simply don't know enough about the long-term efficacy of the vaccines....but we do know the damage these diseases can do. Is that a risk we're willing to take?

posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Ambient Sound

Originally posted by Big Erle
I can't believe that there isn't a loud and pervasive screaming reaction to this.

I can believe it. Our population has been brainwashed into the idea that any medicine or treatment sanctioned by the medical community is just fine.

Also, just think of how badly damaged the drug companies would be if they suddenly no longer had a market for the tons of vaccines they produce every year, not to mention the lawsuits.

No, this will be kept quiet. Nothing will be done. Those who are responsible will never be held accountable. Count on it.

As it turns out, you are quite right Ambient. RFK Jr exposed quite the coverup on the Daily Show last night. Seems that ABC negotiated "exclusive" rights to cover the story following it's initial print release in Rolling Stone and Salon, then just cancelled before scheduled run on Good Morning America and the Nightly News (with no explanation).

Outrage from parent's of autistic children prompted them to agree to run something, but the recut made it into basically a pharco ad. The segment run bookended by them as well.

We'll never be safe as long pharmaceutial advertising owns media. It should be banned, not just because it jacks healthcare costs out of control. It kills people with the slience it demands.

Oh, and RFK Jr said some senators (as this is a non partisan issue for most) have estimated the cost to families in the TRILLIONS. One in six kids from that generation have neurological issues now? No wonder so many need Ridilin. What a travesty. America's pharmco industry would go bankrupt trying to compensate, but they should not be profitting from the misery they caused either.

posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 07:56 AM
You know what really gets me, Rant?

It's the cost hijacking.

The same drugs in the UK and Canada are generally less than 1/3 of the prices paid by Americans. These drugs are manufactured in identical ways and they've been studied using the same methods (and often the same actual clinical trials), so why the differences? Profit.

(believe me, I'm the first to concede that drug trials are inherently expensive, and that without the revenue from drug sales we'd soon have a shortage of important medicines...but there has to be a line drawn in the sand, somewhere, between "acceptable profit" and "outright gouging")

I've worked on both "sides" of the pharma industry (for a drug company, and for an independent research company), and I've had enough dealings with the FDA to be assured that there are some very questionable methods and ethical concerns at play. But that aside - it's inhumane that in this century, in this incredibly developed and civilized country, we still have millions of people going without healthcare - because they can't afford it.

Though we live under the illusion that pharmaceuticals are regulated in the US, the reality is often quite different; companies put an incredibly amount of pressure on the FDA, and often the FDA feels powerless to object. At best, this means price wars and favouritism - but at it's worst, it means safety trials can be "swept under the carpet", and the public is at risk.

That needs to change - and quickly.

Sorry. Ranted off topic. Forgive me?

posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 08:00 AM
There is a risk from all vaccines. The oral polio vaccine used to run a significant risk of contracting polio. My daughter got 10 pox from the chicken pox vaccine. Often, children are feverish and achy after vaccines.

There is a significant risk of seizures after vaccines. My son has physical therapy with a little girl who had massive seizures due to vaccines at 1 year old. Don't remember which one(s). spoke very briefly with her about it and she says it was a freak thing. Her husband is a physician(don't know what type of medicine he practices)

Thermisol is slowly being taking out of *some* vaccines. There is enough of a risk with vaccines that one must sign a waiver to have them done. I would not allow my kids to get the MMR at 12m. I didn't think their immune system was mature enough to handle it. I had to sign a waiver stating that I was putting them at risk. I did have the MMR done at age 3 when they went to preschool 2x's a week. Their immune system was more mature at that point.

The risk of vaccines is outweighed by the protection. Yes, there ARE risks. If everyone stopped vaccinating their kids, alot worse things than possible. Children die of encephalitis from chickenpox, measles. Mumps can cause deafness. No, not always, but they did at times.

I knew a woman who was (actually a moron to talk to) and she was adamantly againts vaccines. Her child came down with whooping cough and was hospitalized for a week. The moron was then pissed becuase the doctor chewed her out for not vaccinating her child. She thought that was just terrible that he would give her a hard time. I thought it was pretty terrible she was stupid enough to not take necessary precautions

I am still careful about vaccines. The autism link is linked more with the MMR vaccine than any of the others. That can be worked around by giving 3 seperate shots 2-3 weeks apart vs the one shot. My pediatrician offers that choice.

As far as autism not being seen before 1930. It wasn't diagnose before 1930. now kids are diagnosed as autistic and they are pretty normal except for not being able to recognize social cues. They were called nerds when I grew up. Many of these adults with aspergers are now scientists, doctors, engineers ect;. Still have no social skills, but have autism. These statistics you see are including people with Aspergers, which is mild and on the high functioning end really equal a nerdy person with normal to high intelligence. Not a kid in the corner with a helmet who can't talk.

posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 08:48 PM
I don't think anyone has listed this link but it tells of how they actually were not allowing anyone to carry anything out of the meeting trying to keep it quiet.

IMHO One has to wonder why they did this, my belief is they knew exactly what this would do, I just don't think it was an accident, I think they knew what the stuff would do from the gitgo.

posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 10:03 PM

Originally posted by Big Erle
I can't believe that there isn't a loud and pervasive screaming reaction to this.

There isn't a loud reaction because there is no evidnece that the mercury in these vaccines causes autism. I saw RFK Jr on the daily show, saying that there's a huge amount of studies that show that thimerosol causes autism and is dangerous. He's lying. Its not true. The entire arguement is based on a 'statisical' conern over their being an increase in autism in more recent years. Why in the world should that be the fault of thimerosol? Lots of things came out into the world around the same time as thimerosol.

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