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Saddam who is insane befriends American soldiers. Soldiers of U.S. of A.

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posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 10:20 AM


NEW YORK - Thrust unexpectedly into the role of prison guards for Saddam Hussein, a group of young American soldiers found the deposed Iraqi leader to be a friendly, talkative "clean freak" who loved Raisin Bran for breakfast, did his own laundry and insisted he was still president of Iraq, says a report published on Monday.

GQ magazine's July issue says Saddam greatly admired President Reagan and thought President Clinton was "OK," but had harsh words for both President Bushes, each of whom went to war against him.

"The Bush father, son, no good," one of the soldiers, Cpl. Jonathan "Paco" Reese, 22, of Millville, Pa., quotes Saddam as saying. But his fellow GI, Specialist Sean O'Shea, then 19, says Saddam later softened that view.

i guess he iiiis a really nice guy to invite to a barbecue, im sure u guys agree.

[Please make use of the quote feature provided and check the formatting of your post with the 'Preview Post' button. - Jak]

[edit on 20/6/05 by JAK]

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 10:32 AM
Hitler also loved kids and could be nice in private. That doesn't mean they can't be bloody monsters if given sufficient power.

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:43 PM
People who believe this crap just kill me. And I mean.. to post it in here?

Why are you guys posting US propaganda in here?

Do you HONESTLY believe that the rest of the Arab or even NONArab world would have allowed Saddam to fall in to USA hands and be captured and interrogated and spill the beans on ALL SORTS OF STUFF?


A deal was made. Saddam is hiding in another country for the rest of what will probablly be his very short life (IF the US didn't kill him in the early days of the war and its being kept secret) and THIS GUY IS A STAND IN.

It is not Saddam. Saddam would NOT be acting this way. This is the way you would behave towards your captors when you are facing execution?

And I didn't know that the whole "booty slapping" motion sybolising sex made popular by hip hop music had caught on in the Arab world, and is in use by 60 year old men.


"Yeah Saddam tol' us ta wha cha gotta do is fin' a fin' hoe an jus slap dat @$$ like dat.. really doe."
"Word, Saddam then made us part of his posse and said that when he gits outta da joint he gonna roll up on Bushes crib an waste that white boy, bust a cap in him and turn his paper pushing @$$ in to a pencil."
"And then.. and then.. and then.. he said like, we're like all going to Jack in the Box, fill up on Super Stacks, we're going ta see my cussin Jerome and hook up some chronic because Saddam says he can out smoke all of us (I don't believe it personally) and drive all the way to Mexico for Margerita shooters and pizza."

Actually my favorite part of this now.. is the part where they say...

"Once, when Saddam fell down during his twice-a-week shower, the article says, "panic ensued. No one wanted him to be hurt while being guarded by Americans." One GI had to help Saddam back to his cell, another carried his underwear, it adds."

Which to me reads like..

"We are not beating him regularly. Repeat: WE ARE NOT BEATING HIM REGULARLY."

You really think that THIS GUY is the REAL Saddam? C'mon kids, get with the program already.


posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:50 PM
so, can you substantiate a single word of that, Vis?

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:59 PM
Bush says he loves people of all races, that doesn't mean anything, either. He also says he's a Christian even though him and dad worship huge, false IDOL owls at Bohemian Grove every July that is a no-no in the bible. See you can say anything you want, doesn't make it true.

[edit on 20-6-2005 by NoJustice]

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Vis Mega

And I didn't know that the whole "booty slapping" motion sybolising sex made popular by hip hop music had caught on in the Arab world,

What you are saying is absurd... there are universal symbols on many subjects including sex. It's not intimatly related into one "civilisation" (or so to speak)

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 07:24 PM
You guys are right.. I'm wrong.. that is REALLY Saddam Hussian there..

... except for the fact.. that HIS WIFE agrees with me...

And I do not believe that the US gov.. would hold the REAL SADDAM in custody protected by 3 boneheads.

"He had germophobia or whatever you call it" said Dawson, 25, of Berwick, Pa."

Boneheads. The real Saddam.. would not be protected by anything other then extremely serious extremely well trained and well educated soldiers. Not these jokers.

It just... it strains credibility.

It just has propaganda written all over it.. specially this part..

Saddam prayed five times a day in his cell and kept a Quran that he claimed to have found in some rubble near the underground hideout. "He proudly showed (it) to the boys because it was burned around the edges and had a bullet hole in it," the story says.

Uh.. k.. first of all.. it can't be readable in that condition.. and second of all there is some sort of rule about a Koran in that condition.. it has to be burried or something (I THINK) ... so it just doesn't add up for me.

"tried to flee in a taxicab as the tanks were rolling in,"

Oh yeah.. I believe that the real Saddam would do that too. Lol.

"He'd always tell us he was still the president. That's what he thinks, One hundred percent," says Dawson.

Legally he is actually.. since the invasion was illegal. But I seriously doubt that this is Saddam. Seriously.

This here just reads like more US propaganda here too...

"One that can cook and clean."

In other words.. continue to reinforce the whole "arab men think women are good for nothing else" like as if Saddams wife has ever lifted a finger in her life.

Its all garbage. Just garbage.. and we are suppose to believe the people who lied to the American people about the WMD and everything else for that matter...

.. I'm curious.. how do you guys KNOW that the reasons for the war were manufactured.. YOU KNOW that things on 9-11 that happened do not add up.. yet something like this.. you STILL believe it?

Its like it doesn't matter how many times the US lies to you.. you just buy it all up and ask for another serving of BS.

If the USA was ONE MAN.. no one would have anything to do with him.

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 07:36 PM
Hes a bad person, aside all differances.
He would have killed u.s. citizens if they were in Iraq

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 07:44 PM
(Saddam greatly admired President Reagan ) qote

I bet he did, he gave him wmd.

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 09:56 PM
Bush backs Saddam exile plans

By Stewart Powell in Washington
February 1 2003

" Mr Bush said he hoped international pressure would convince Saddam to relinquish power. "Should he choose to leave the country, along with a lot of the other henchmen ... we would welcome that, of course."

But Mr Bush said his aim remained to disarm Iraq, regardless of who was the leader."


To sweeten exile, the Bush Administration has delayed any decision on war crimes charges against Saddam, leaving open the possibility that he could avoid a war crimes prosecution similar to former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic."

Yep, he was offered Exile and he probably took it.
It explains why Saddams wife doesn't believe the Saddam in capture is the real Saddam.
It explains why the story surrounding Saddams capture is bogus and another 'Jessica Lynch' US hero's story.
It explains why an Iraqi Commander Swears He Saw USAF Fly Saddam Out of Baghdad.

The trial will be a horse and pony show done for the people who want to see Saddam strung up. It won't be anything more than a propaganda stunt because the alternative is exposing a lot of countries including the US and UK's invovlement in Saddams power at the height of his Human rights record.

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 10:29 PM
Saddam Hussein admires Reagan.

That says a lot about Reagan I guess.

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 02:21 AM
Saddam - the butcher of the Middle East - also admired Stalin and a hell of a lot more than Reagan - the butcher of Central America - even if that is true.

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 04:08 AM
Just Take this Guy To Court and Lets get this Over With!

WTF are They Waiting For?

He's Trial is going to be very similar to Kafka's Process anyway - Neverending!

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 05:58 AM
lol in their story saddam sounds like a nice fellow

i agree with you guys; this totally seems like a saddam double- just like his wife said

that begs the question...
were those two dead bodies really his sons Uday and Qusay???
or were those clever fakes too?
and why didnt they bring foward some fake WMD??

what was there goal? they knew they would lie and would get caught why did they do it? hmmm....
maybe they lied and got caught on purpose to distract us from catching them in a different bigger lie they were doing at the same time?
i dunno....something 2 think about tho....

theres alot of propaganda out there still these days
its funny the gov't was this stupid in the first place

were onto them and they know it lol

keep your eyes peeled

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 06:06 AM
I do agree they need to get his trial moving and get it crackin’.

Now my favorite is Saddam’s advice on finding your right woman. He said she cant be too smart or too dumb, she has to be right in the middle and she has to know how to clean and cook.

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 06:10 AM
ok i'm trying to follow this..............

so all you folks that have posted on this thread believe that we do NOT have the real guy? that we........the US........spirited him out of IRAQ? that the bodies identified as his sons were NOT them?

all i ask is WHY would we have done this to begin with? i'm not following this.

can someone please clarify what the benefit would be for the US to have conspired to spirit him out?


posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 06:34 AM
^^^^ You just have to accept the fact that many people here don't live in the real world and see conspiracies everywhere. For me threads like this are a good laugh, however it does expose the lowering of the IQ of the US people.

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 07:32 AM
The claim isn't THAT unfounded...

Saddam was known for body doubles and likeness doubles. During the war, we saw a couple of them if you will recall...

Saddam also isn't the only middle eastern ruler to do so. Kadafi has a few of his own as well...and others. Decoys have always been used by heads of state.

Still, from all I've seen, the Saddam I saw on tape captured seems to be the real deal. Possible phony? yes... Likely? no... He had some independent DNA tests done by nations other than the US to confirm identity.

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 07:50 AM

Originally posted by Gazrok
Saddam was known for body doubles and likeness doubles. During the war, we saw a couple of them if you will recall...

Noone has so far presented any proof he had a body double. Some have said that Saddam couldn't stand the thought of someone looking exactly like him around, as that would imply that person could take over his power. Considering his ego and the paranoid delusions of many dictators like him, sounds logical to me.

[edit on 21-6-2005 by Simon666]

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 08:37 AM

You just have to accept the fact that many people here don't live in the real world and see conspiracies everywhere. For me threads like this are a good laugh, however it does expose the lowering of the IQ of the US people.

What an accusation. Someone asks a GOOD and DIRECT and WANTS INFORMATION .. REALLY WANTS TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING .. and you flip him off with a flippant answer. Nice work, Rogue1.

Mr amb1063: Dude, the reason I don't believe that Saddam is really in US custody.. or at least the reason that I don't believe the guy they are showing off is Saddam...

#1) No other Arab country would allow this to happen to another Arab leader NO MATTER WHAT the prior relationship was. Against the USA and other western aggressors.. they stand together. End of story there.

#1.5) OTHER countries.. like Russia and Iran for example, would not want Saddam to fall in to US hands. And would rather take care of him for the rest of his life and let him live it out in quite dignity as long as he never says to anyone where he really is and who is hosting him. I'm not saying that IS what happened.. what I'm saying is.. that it is unlikely that no one made the effort to make sure he DID NOT fall in to US hands. I'm SURE there was most likely a rescue attempt at the least.. whatever ended up happening.. who really knows? I don't believe we will ever know.

#2) US Soldiers have already come out and said that the story about finding 'this guy' in the spider hole is completely untrue.

#2.5) We know that the Jessica Lynch story is untrue, and we know that the Pat Tilman story was not true. And we know that the US said they would lie to everyone in order to sway public opinion in the war on terror in the first place.. remember that?

#3) We know that Saddam had doubles... this is a fact.. every REALLY important person in the middle east uses doubles and fake convoys.. the people in this thread are NOT the only ones who believe that the US is faking this capture...

... that is a previous thread about this subject.

#4) In a propaganda war its important to demoralise your enemies. The whole story just seems like it was made up to make Saddam look like a crazy old man... someone who in the end won't be able to stand trial.. just like Pinoche. Except for the fact, that I'm pretty certain he will NEVER see a trial no matter what.. we'll see though right?

You see I don't have to come up with some half baked theory for as to why I believe that the US is lying about capturing Saddam. These guys do it to themselves. IF YOU.. lied.. over and over again.. so all your friends, and the people who care about you and your future don't you think that eventually no one would want anything to do with you? Of course. And this is the way I feel about the US military and the current administration. This IS the way most respected journalists felt when they administration decided to tell everyone that they would form an office of war propaganda and TOLD everyone that they would lie to the news reporters and to people in general... well everyone was outraged.. and then they turned around and said.. "Oh sorry.. no.. we change our minds now.. we're NOT going to lie to you as we said we would." But the damage is done at that point isn't it? If I warn you that I'm going to lie and cheat you in a business deal, then I say "Ah, I change my mind.. I'll be honest with you." .. well you are not likely to deal with me now, are you?

Now for what I THINK happened?

I think a few things are possible.. likely... whatever...

#1) That the US illegally killed Saddam and his sons IN THE EARLY days of the war and they know it. They DO NOT want to say "Well we snuck a bomb in to a palace and killed him LONG before we had any proof that he was up to what we were accusing him of." ..OR they had assasins.. they had someone on the inside... ready to kill Saddam and become the puppet government so they could play a power position for awhile. So.. to summerise.. Saddam is dead.. and the US is covering it up (their crime) AND at the same time.. getting all the propaganda value from their captive. So double score there.

#2) Since the whole war is fake.. I sometimes figure that a deal with Saddam was made in the early days of the war... example "Listen, Saddam, babe.. I'm telling you bro.. this isn't going to be like last time, WE KNOW you can't nuke or gas Israel this time, and we know you don't have the power to fight back this time either.. to even make it difficult for us for that matter, so listen up sweetheart.. the deal is.. YOU disappear, we capture a fake, you never get seen ever again.. and we'll leave you and your family alone.. but cross us and we'll kill you, no matter where we are man.. we got them little black planes that you can't see.. remember? Yeah.. so be a pal already after everything we have done for you and just give it up already, you can't win and you know we'll execute you in the end if you don't do what we say so.. really.. enough is enough.. just run to China, they'll take care of you and never look back okay? Great.. we got a deal.. take care toots and we'll see ya in the funny papers, k?" .... Get me? Because then with making a deal with Saddam they knew that they had the war wrapped up in the bag.. there would be no chance of Saddam using WMD against US troops which like is now suggested by the DSMemo.. they DID know that this wouldn't happen.. HOW did they know that Saddam couldn't nuke Tel Aviv in one last desperate stroke of maddness? Because of a deal such as this.

#3) Saddam was a plant or was dead for a long long time now. His wife has been running the show with the help of doubles and her husbands old loyals and the US KNEW THIS for awhile now but was keeping it a secret. THIS WAY, they KNEW again.. that Saddam would NOT use the WMD because his WIFE, was not going to do this just to hold on to a country for awhile longer that she didn't really have any power over and risk getting killed also (they were just going to ride it out as long as they could perhaps) ... SO, the US, sensing a possible unstable situation with NO REAL leader in Iraq and this charade going on.. decided to get some opertunity and decided that the time was right for 9-11 and everything else that they have played thus far. THEY MADE A DEAL with the upper Iraqi leadership, this ment the generals and Saddams wife... BUT THIS ONE... I kinda doubt.. but it could be SOMETHING along these lines with the others mixed in a little bit for variation. I think its also possible that Saddam called his old buddy Bush Sr.. and said "Listen.. dammit, I'm an old man.. I did what you told me to do for years.. RIGHT NOW I could get on AlJazeria and RAT YOU OFF for EVERYTHING that you did during my reign and during the 91 gulf war... BUT I HAVEN'T .. I'm trying to play ALONG HERE! So listen.. what can I do to make this go away.. I just want to live out the rest of my miserable cancer infested life quietly... can I help you to help me so we can help each other out here?" BUT THEN... Saddam could have 'done' a little something to help the US case against him so they could have gotten more out of the 'deal' so.. even though its possible that they are all kicking back and having a beer over this and laughing about it... its unlikely.

AND THAT is how you answer a question of someone WHO REALLY wants to know something on ATS and asks it in such a NICE and POLITE and really wanting to DENY IGNORENCE.... so mr amb1063 does that answer your question, sir?

The long story short is... I can't believe ANYTHING the US says anymore.

I can't do it and neither should anyone else if they had a lick of sense anymore. They lie and lie and lie and lie and we KNOW they lie and NOW it seems that for once we finally have caught them in the biggest lie of all with the DSMemo. So I mean really..

I think it should be up to the people WHO SUPPORT THE LIARS at this point to tell us WHY THE HELL WE SHOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE US SAYS at this point after all they have lied about to us all.. and in fact.. TOLD us they WERE going to lie to us and then (lied) when they said that they WOULD NOT like to us.. and then we caught them in a bunch of lies.



And Gaz, thanks for the step up.

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