Ok, we all have our own little theory of what chem/con-trails are. To most they are just normal contrails. To others they are chemical trails, that are being sprayed for who knows what.
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In this thread, I am going to take pictures every morning (at the same time 5-7 am). Also I will be taking pictures of the same portion of sky. NE. My only intention is to prove that this is not normal. Make your own conclusions.

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Monday, June 20th / 2005.

The sky. Anywhere except in the NE direction.



____Trail #1



____Trail #2 + 3



____Trail #4 + Cloud Formation (the contrail is in the bottom right hand corner, hard to make out, I thought I had it in the frame but I guess not)



"Liquid Clouds"




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That's all for Monday. See you tomorrow.


[Note: The pictures has different resolutions and lighting because I took some without zooming in, and the darker ones I used the cameras Digital Zoom"

[edit on 20-6-2005 by Bane Of Your Existence]

You have got to be kidding me.
Other than two photos showing contrails/contrail residue, the others are simply atmospherics.





seekerof

Your title is misleading. With that title people will come here thinking you have images of "Chemtails" not pictures of contrails and cirrus clouds.

...."liquid clouds"....


Are the elections over? Because if you vote for me, I would make everyone know what a contrail is and what the different cloud types are before anyone is allowed to make any more of these ridiculous chemtail threads.

so Bane, did you just decide, like the rest of the chemtrailists, to ignore 99% of the responses to your previous thread, and go ahead with your gross misunderstanding and poorly conceived assumptions about your uneducated observations?

I agree further chemtrail threads should be locked as there is already an extensive library for this fraud.

Originally posted by apc
so Bane, did you just decide, like the rest of the chemtrailists, to ignore 99% of the responses to your previous thread, and go ahead with your gross misunderstanding and poorly conceived assumptions about your uneducated observations?

I agree further chemtrail threads should be locked as there is already an extensive library for this fraud.

yeah. let's CENSOR chemtrail discussion. we can still talk about ufo's, god and the devil, but chemtrails are clearly visible as a danger to the minds of ATSers.



bane, if you're serious, you should post the relative humidity on spray days you photograph. that way, if a trail appears and the relative humidity is low on a blue sky day, there is a good chance it's no normal contrail.

denying ignorance is a process, not an act.

Originally posted by billybob
bane, if you're serious, you should post the relative humidity on spray days you photograph. that way, if a trail appears and the relative humidity is low on a blue sky day, there is a good chance it's no normal contrail.

denying ignorance is a process, not an act.

That's something i'd like to see as well. Where would one find detailed weather info for up there though? Things like humidity will be differnt at 30,000ft then on the ground, correct?

I also agree with billybob that one shouldn't censor these threads. Even though I don't believe in chemtrails and think it's silly, but censoring it wouldn't help, it would probably make it worse.

People who post 'chemtrail' pics should do more then just post the pics and say "LOOK CHEMTRAILS!!!". Give more info, like what billybob suggested. Also take multiple pics of the same trails over time and write down the time, so we all can see how long it takes to spread or what have you. Do more proper documentation so believers and skeptics could analyze them better.

Most of these "chemtrail" pics show the clouds very high up in the atmosphere. Do they realize how heavy the chemicals would have to be in order to make it dow- you know what........nevermind.

Why bother giving these people more audience...

Man, chemtrail believers just keep on keepin on

Come on now, you and your "chemtrails" have been disproved.
It is a hoax, proven over and over again to be FALSE. Yet you
believers come back for more, knowing that you will be put down.

The only "evidence" I have seen is a few links to a few sorry websites and
thousands of photos of contrails and clouds. Other than that...notta, zilch and nothing.

Anyways...the picutres look like regular contrails and clouds

Bane says:

My only intention is to prove that this is not normal.

So it's not like you are doing research.

Instead, you admit that you have an agenda and are going to do whatever you can to provide support for your re-existing beliefs.

There are a lot of ways you can do that, of course. You can deliberately mis-label the pictures, or re-touch them in Photoshop, or report that they lasted for a week ratheer than five minutes or -- heck, almost everything!

Not that you ARE necessarily going to do that; it's just that, if you already believe in "chem-trails", then you're not really interested in doing any research, because research means finding out the truth.

And -- at least in your own mind -- you already have the "truth", right?

But I'm not sure how taking a bunch of pictures of contrails will somehow support your assertion that these contrails are some sort of Secret "Chem-trail" Plot or anything.

I mean, if you take pictures of Christmas presents for a couple of weeks, does that prove there's a Santa Claus?

billybob says:

bane, if you're serious, you should post the relative humidity on spray days you photograph. that way, if a trail appears and the relative humidity is low on a blue sky day, there is a good chance it's no normal contrail.

You're sort of right, billybob. Contrails will persist it the temperature is below -40 deg and the relative humidity is 100 percent or higher. If either of those two conditions are not met, then the contrails should not persist for more than five or ten minutes.

If they persist for longer than that, you have some suspicious stuff.

But how do you suggest Bane measure the RH and temperature at 35 thousand to 40 thousand feet?

That's where the contrails are, you know.

I admit I am not doing any research persay, I am just snapping pictures.

Tomorrow I can going to do a time lapse series. Taking 1 every 45 minutes.

Because most trails do disipate after 5-10 minutes. But these stay for up to 2 hours and then eventually for clouds. Thats what the pictures of the "liquid" clouds are doing.

I should of taken better pictures beccause then you could see the trails being gradually blown across half the sky.

So, Bane, How do you know that the cirrus clouds weren't going to form anyway, contrails or no contrails?

yeah. let's CENSOR chemtrail discussion. we can still talk about ufo's, god and the devil, but chemtrails are clearly visible as a danger to the minds of ATSers.

Uhm did I say censor the discussions? No.

I said start locking new threads, because there are already DOZENS of threads that 'these people' can post their 'proof' to, without going through the hassle of avoiding the existing arguments against their claims, as this very thread demonstrates.

I find it pretty funny when chemtrail believers start crying about censorship.

If you go on any of the chemmie run forums such as Carnicom,com, ChemtrailCentral, CTTUSA, etc and offer up even the slightest bit of contrary information, Or if you question any of the wildest assertions made by the chemtrail believers, you will be immediately labeled a paid disinformation agent and be summarily banned.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
I find it pretty funny when chemtrail believers start crying about censorship.

If you go on any of the chemmie run forums such as Carnicom,com, ChemtrailCentral, CTTUSA, etc and offer up even the slightest bit of contrary information, Or if you question any of the wildest assertions made by the chemtrail believers, you will be immediately labeled a paid disinformation agent and be summarily banned.

And quite so
Let it ride
My impression is that you have a quite healthful area modified by at least one cloudbuster
It may be those cellphone towers need a jolt from a towerbuster or two

[edit on 20-6-2005 by dh]

[edit on 20-6-2005 by dh]

dh says (regarding Howard's assertions about the "chem-trail" sites banning people who ask questions):

And quite so
Let it ride

Translation: "Censorship is okay, as long as it's the chem-a-zoids doing it."

Originally posted by HowardRoark
If you go on any of the chemmie run forums such as Carnicom,com, ChemtrailCentral, CTTUSA, etc and offer up even the slightest bit of contrary information, Or if you question any of the wildest assertions made by the chemtrail believers, you will be immediately labeled a paid disinformation agent and be summarily banned.

You sound like you've done that a few times

Speaking from experience eh

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
dh says (regarding Howard's assertions about the "chem-trail" sites banning people who ask questions):

And quite so
Let it ride

Translation: "Censorship is okay, as long as it's the chem-a-zoids doing it."

no. it's not okay anywhere, by me.

weeeeellll. SOME censorship is wise. like, really depraved # that they show in movies nowadays.
i was looking forward to team america: world police. i don't think kids should see the sex scene, or hear any of the very adult situations. media programs us. be careful what you eat.

that aside, if i had a chemmie site, i would WELCOME the naysayers and their information. i may have to send both howard and off the street(oh, that 'you') a cheque for my advancing education in aircraft and meteorology.


edited, cause i don't send 'checks'. haha.

[edit on 20-6-2005 by billybob]

*Blink*

Unless it's overcast or there's no clouds in the sky, those things are extremely common around here. Unless there's cumulonimbus clouds, those are the only other clouds we get around here.

Well I certainly won't be visiting this tread again so that I can look at more fascinating pictures of the sky.

From my 5th floor office in the centre of London I can stare out of the window and look at the clouds and contrails (and a wonderful summer day it is to, unless your are a chemtrail believer then in which case "argh, the poison, the poison I need my crystals").

The real sky also doesn't take as long to load up as this thread does on my slow office connection.