TWENTY YEARS AFTER THE MASSACRES AT SABRA AND SHATILA, page
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Topic started on 12-8-2003 @ 08:42 AM by CoLD aNGeR
Remember this?
So then what would be the revenge act of something like this, what would americans do if some country comes and butchers an entire city, or village?
At leat bombar them, or make a war, or even make it public, and well known all over the world (as 11-s) but this doesnīt happen when itīs other people who gets hurt....

The past is always present

The massacres in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon in 1982, when hundreds of civilians were butchered by rightwing militia, remain crucial events in the history of the Palestinian people.


TWENTY years have passed, but re-read the accounts (1) or speak to survivors in what remains of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, and the words still drip red. Time has not washed away the blood. All through my investigation I was horrified as I listened to story after story about children with their throats slit, or pregnant women with their bellies slashed open, or heads and limbs hacked off. I felt physically sick.

I did not approach what remains of the Sabra and Shatila camps through the main entrance but via a dirty district on the periphery, home to new, mostly Asian, arrivals. I entered the main street that once linked Gaza hospital, which no longer exists, to the main entrance near the Kuwaiti embassy. The embassy stands out, incongruously luxurious, as is the nearby sports centre where Palestinian and Lebanese adults who escaped the massacre were questioned.

People now made their way to the camp between shops and stalls selling fruit, CDs, new and second-hand goods, cars, scooters.

How do you select between direct and indirect witnesses to the massacres? Their voices subdued, they brought alive the scenes of September 1982.

Um Shawki, 52, lost 17 members of her family, including a 12-year-old son and her husband. She lived in the Bir Hassan district near the Kuwaiti embassy. After 1982, she moved with her 12 surviving children to the main street in Shatila and lives on the fourth floor of a poorly constructed building. Her apartment is clean; artificial flowers complement its soft furnishings and pictures are stuck or nailed to the walls, of Al Quds (Jerusalem) and the Hamas flag. She does not belong to Hamas: "I don't belong to any organisation. I would only join when I was sure of the outcome." And her children? "I don't want them to sacrifice themselves for anything, but on the day I am certain of getting my revenge, I'll encourage them and be at their side."

Rest of the article:
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reply posted on 12-8-2003 @ 08:48 AM by CoLD aNGeR
Just to show a little of how unfair the media is with some stuff, i donīt know how much people, knows about this:




Israeli 'shoot to kill'-style warning sign on part of the separation barrier. As expected, the Hebrew word for the barrier is gader ("fence"). However, the Arabic word used is jidar, which -- while related at its root to the Hebrew word gader actually means "wall" in Arabic. (ISM)



Remember after the naziīs what was built in berlin?
Guess...


reply posted on 12-8-2003 @ 12:18 PM by Daystar
You didn't answer my question. I can't force you to but I find it interesting that you chose to side-step it and counter-question me.

About your obvious dislike for Palestinians:

Look at it from a different angle. Have you ever seen an injured child? I mean truly injured? If you have then you should realise that people are bound to retalliate when the IDF shoots kids (and they do, don't try to deny it). There was a case that was brought to the intention of the British media a number of months ago. A Palestinian kid was being threatened by IDF troops. A British man shielded the child from the soldiers, and they responded by shooting him. No warning.

Look, I am not condoning suicide bombing. My support for Hamas etc. stops when they target israeli civillians, but you must realise that when a father sees his son die just for being of a particular race or faith, then he will thirst for revenge. I imagine that it is the same for average israelis. Imagine two brothers. One dies in an attack by Hamas. The other joins the IDF to try and gain revenge on the people that killed his brother. And so the cycle goes on.

Now about suicide bombers:

If the Palestinians had guns, they would use them, but as israel has cut off their arms supply they have to resort to explosives. And the best method for them to deliver the bomb to its target, is by walking it to the target. Plus, as so many Palestinians have lost their families to the conflict, many have nothing to lose, save for their lives.
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