Conclusive proof John Titor is a fraud, page 2
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reply posted on 20-6-2005 @ 10:45 AM by Misfit
Originally posted by paranoia
Just a heads up - you see there is no conclusive proof either way? There is a healthy debate underway here and so doesn't this illustrate my original point clearly?


I havn't been into this Titor thing, so this statement is based on an inquiry.

What I have always found out of place with these "time travelors" I've read about in my years is that they somehow never have anything credible to assist belief that they really are from the future. The box this guy uses for his travel platform I dismiss as it is eerily simlar to cammo boxes used in the US military circa '85 (his schematics: phft, get me stoned and I'll draw to perfection a set of schematics, tell you it was the worlds most powerful nuke, and it look real). There is always this reason or that reason that their claims can not be proven other than answering questions (of which, when dealing the future, one could answer any damn thing, who would know any difference?)

Does this guy have anything credible? Is all forms of ID non-existent in his day? What bit I read of this one is that he could only do this once? If that's so, why have his cammo box I mean travel unit mounted in different vehicles? If he can more than once, I guess its what, against some law of time travel that he can have no passengers?

You have to admit, people claiming to be of such like Titor always have excuses that would kill any form of final true or false decision. Hell for all I knowe it's a time-travelers motto "keep them guessing". (hey, con-artists do that to! ouch, heh)

Again, my statements are of inquiry from you here, as you can imagine the garbage I could run into trying to learn quickly about him.

Misfit



reply posted on 20-6-2005 @ 02:33 PM by ThatsJustWeird
Good site posted in the big JT thread for good proof (as if you needed it) that it's a hoax:
www.livejournal.com...


Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by warthog911
If there is no civil war in U.S this year,no WW3 in 2015 then titor is fake.


That would be an absolutely errant statement - and to make it would prove you haven't studied the issue.


What's wrong with the statement?

Titor said there'll be a Civil war in 2005 (starting in 2004).
Titor said there'll be a World War in 2015.
He said these as facts, not maybes.
So if he's wrong....why would you still hold out hope he isn't a fake?


reply posted on 20-6-2005 @ 03:44 PM by superslicksh0es
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
"And his reason for coming back is to get some old computer hardware and software? And every copy of Unix everywhere stopped working?? Hello??? Reality check???"


wow... all i can say is please read the archives carefully before stating something like that. the whole story of john titor was built around this bug which will happen in 32 years, 6 months, and 28 days. i just did a quick google search and found this. -

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source:
The Year 2038 Problem

"On January 19, 2038, that is precisely what's going to happen.

For the uninitiated, time_t is a data type used by C and C++ programs to represent dates and times internally. (You Windows programmers out there might also recognize it as the basis for the CTime and CTimeSpan classes in MFC.) time_t is actually just an integer, a whole number, that counts the number of seconds since January 1, 1970 at 12:00 AM Greenwich Mean Time. A time_t value of 0 would be 12:00:00 AM (exactly midnight) 1-Jan-1970, a time_t value of 1 would be 12:00:01 AM (one second after midnight) 1-Jan-1970, etc.. Since one year lasts for a little over 31 000 000 seconds, the time_t representation of January 1, 1971 is about 31 000 000, the time_t representation for January 1, 1972 is about 62 000 000, et cetera.

By the year 2038, the time_t representation for the current time will be over 2 140 000 000. And that's the problem. A modern 32-bit computer stores a "signed integer" data type, such as time_t, in 32 bits. The first of these bits is used for the positive/negative sign of the integer, while the remaining 31 bits are used to store the number itself. The highest number these 31 data bits can store works out to exactly 2 147 483 647. A time_t value of this exact number, 2 147 483 647, represents January 19, 2038, at 7 seconds past 3:14 AM Greenwich Mean Time. So, at 3:14:07 AM GMT on that fateful day, every time_t used in a 32-bit C or C++ program will reach its upper limit.

One second later, on 19-January-2038 at 3:14:08 AM GMT, disaster strikes."

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Originally posted by Indellkoffer
"If they had the equipment to get back here, they'd have a LOT better equipment than an old 1980's computer."



The "old 1980's computer" was infact an IBM 5100 released in 1975. The computer "supposedly" had special abilities which were never disclosed. I asked one of my computer science professors about these "special abilities" because he did some work with IBM back in the day. He said was not familiar with the "special abilities" but it's very possible.

If you do a little research on the "special abilities" of the IBM 5100 computer, you would find this...

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source:Rochester Magazine

"According to Bob Dubke, the second engineer on IBM's 5100 team in Rochester (who now co-owns a locally-based company called eXport Ventures Corp. and also works for Edina Realty), that secret function was his contribution to the design of the computer. The function, which IBM suppressed because of worries about how their competition might use it, was an interface between the assembly code surrounding the computer's ROM exterior, and the 360 emulator hidden beneath it. (IBM declined to comment for this story.) The 5100's emulator gave programmers access to the functions of the monstrous, and much less portable machines, that IBM had produced during the 1960s. An imprint of a hook on the outside of the 5100 symbolized the ability of Dubke's interface to drop into what Titor called "legacy code," and scoop out any necessary operating instructions."
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You're welcome. Next time, just look around...


reply posted on 20-6-2005 @ 08:47 PM by jumpspace
Byrd:

You surprise me sometimes.

You obviously need to re-read your Titor archives.

Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by jumpspace
Peoples,

I'm only going to defend Titor with one thing that I recall - he said something about the future and Iraq and that WMD's would never be found there...


No he didn't. Not in the first rounds of his "prophecies" he didn't. In fact, he completely failed to mention 9/11, Iraq, or Iran. He was going on and on about the GloomyDoomyWorld of 2026 and the aftermath of the Incredible Science-Fictional War (while making a number of incredibly stupid mistakes, like posting pictures of military equipment from the 1950's and trying to pass it off as "time travel machinery."

He's a dippy college freshman/sophomore. We even tracked his connection down to the house where he was living at the time.


Yes he did!

At 8am on the 25th Feb 2001, I will quote what he said: "You are capable of changing your worldline for the better right now. None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"

From what I can see, he is very clear about Iraq, WMD's and how they DO NOT find any

The Internet - another area I am an expert in On that note, can you please provide PROOF that you traced it back to a home? The only way to find this out is to:

1) Subpoena the ISP that the IP address belongs to
2) Get the basic details from the ISP regarding the login name and ID (only if the user has an account and hasn't paid in cash, otherwise you're stuffed)
3) Hopefully, a real name is used so you can find the telco that is linked to the name you obtained (unless you're govt., good luck here - you will probably also have to subpoena the telco here).
4) Subpoena the telco for a list of the person's outgoing calls for the day in question (hopefully he hasn't used YOUR name to register his account, otherwise you will be getting a call)
5) Confirm that an outgoing call was made with the same date/time/duration as the login for the account
6) Find out who lives at the house and PROVE who was using the computer at the time

So, as you can see, it isn't easy to find out where an IP address comes from You can find out it came from an ISP or a company, however to actually link a broad based class A, B or C address to a physical location is VERY hard.

As you can see, there are a number of public documents required to do this, so can you please scan these and provide them here.

Thanks Byrd

Cheers

JS
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