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Remote Influencing... can it be done

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posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795

Originally posted by Enyalius
yes it is possible, but you should be very carefull on how to use it.

influencing someones free will will make your karma go down. and let's just say that the punishment you'd get isn't nice


I doubt it. There is no morality in the Universe IMO, so there's no judgement. Doesn't matter if you're remotely influencing someone.


Maybe there is no universal moral, but there sure is balance right?
So when your influencing someone(doesnt matter how you do that), then are you not breaking some natural balance there was in his/her genuine decission?
And when you break/modifiy that natural balance how is that gonna restore itself? Well that all depends of the resulting (re-)actions caused by your actions.

Dont take it too serious caus its just my opinion which changes from time to time




posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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whether you believe in a moral "judgement" or not is not important. in the end someone does as they deem correct. and you will have to deal with the consequences.

if you play with someones mind, whether for your own good or for someone else, you're playing with free will. when you do that you interfere with the balance of that individual and their decisions. you're not bypassing, you're overwriting so they will do as you tell them to.

there is universal moral but a lot of people can't see it or understand it. simply because you get "punished" for what you did in previous lives as well.

almost all answers can be found in the universal library. go look it up. is all i got to say to the sceptics. and unless they try they got no right of speech in any way.

[edit on 21-6-2005 by Enyalius]



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 02:26 PM
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The_final, you are correct, Im one tough cookie, but I heard the BEST explanation to date today from Bhadhidar concerning possible use of the mind for manipulating radiation. Its in fact no so difficult to believe, considering everything above 0 K emits radiation.

I'll go with this until someone says something totally unbelievable.

Hmm..... Communist Eletronic Mind Controlsounds neat just saying it, but also may have existed. I certainly know intense radiation will induce pain, and the body doesnt react well to it either, but if you could change the energy state via some type of heating with microwaves, specially targeting certain atoms, you could possibly influence people remotely without their knowledge.

I still dont see how this could be done by someone without a truck of equipment, but it would certainly make people wonder about those microwave towers everywhere, wouldn't it?

[edit on 21-6-2005 by Raideur]



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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Raideur, The Soviets and the west have researched that bajesus out of the psi phenomina. PSI is a designation for both extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK) as proposed in 1946 by the British psychologists Drs. Robert Thouless and W. P. Weisner. The reasons for their proposal were that "psi" is the twenty-third letter of the Greek alphabet commonly used in parapsychology to include both phenomena of ESP and PK because both are closely related.

As far as Communist mind control goes, do you remember a strange lil fact called the 'woodpecker' signal? It still goes on to this day and originates from russia. There bombarding the west with elf waves to influence the minds of the public. Now i say elf waves as a general term here as i do not honestly know if these signals are scalular or of a different frequency spectrum. The USA does the same thing(aswell as 99% of all governments) , its low level elf waves that modulate in such a way to effect behaviour.

Many alleged mind controlled 'victims' have an uncanny grasp of psionic abilities and telekinetic powers. Almost like someones programming these people with such abilities for who know what experimental reasons.

Ive read of someone who supposedly influences congress during live cspan sessions with remote influencing alone. Changing senaters behaviour and causing feelings and thoughts of embarassment to them during live speech. Apparently this person experimented on live cnn aswell and ended up making one of the lady newsbroadcasters orgasm on live tv and then cnn had to interupt and cut to a commercial/stand by session.. Now i realise we shouldnt believe everything we read on the net, there is alot of fictitious crap out there. But psionics and the ability to remote influence in my opinion is a very real phenomina. I could only imagine what the powers that be would use such a person for if it was demonstated that he/she could honestly harness this ability with spot on accuracy.. dangerous world we live in..

regards,

The fanatical



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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What the skeptics on ATS fail to realize is that our logic. science. and reasearch is still in a primitive state. Our egos trick us into thinking that we are the big dogs in the universe; nothing could be further from the truth. I can hear the skeptics yelling "prove it" now. Another thing they fail to realize is that the proof would be beyound their comprehension. Its sort of like trying to teach a pig to tap dance. It can't be done plus it annoys the pig.

The ego is a strange enitity. It pushes us forward in knowledge while at the same time denying the strange, and frightening evidence in front of us.

It takes effort to cut the arroagant, "know it alls" some slack, but when you realize their skeptism is a result of fear of the unknown. It is so much easier to call names and try and force their personal theories on others than get up off their butts and do some real reaserch.

The internet is very seductive. I'm here and I love being herebut in 10min. I'm going to go outside, get in my pickup and drive into the desert till the road stops and sit in my lawn chair and watch the sky. This isn't classical reasearch but at least I have a chance of getting an experience that just dosen't exist in front of this monitor, keyboard and mouse. Peace and GOODBYE!!



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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This is an excellent thread ... and you are partly right by saying that you cannot change physical evidence just by thinking of it. But, you can change the way another person thinks talking to them in a particular way that appeals to them. Such ass if you wanted to sell something to someone you have the ability to sell them a product or not. But, the thing is taht what most people would argue is that some people have thier minds made up before hand. These people sometimes do have thier minds made up prematurely which in turn makes it much harder to preform such task as changing thier minds. But thier are still ways.



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, hold your breathes, because here it comes,

Can we prove the government is influencing us?

The most obvious question would be how they could do it...
Also, why? We are citizens and have the right to our own thoughts...
Finally, How could we find out the truth of whether they are or not....



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Raideur
And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, hold your breathes, because here it comes,

Can we prove the government is influencing us?

The most obvious question would be how they could do it...
Also, why? We are citizens and have the right to our own thoughts...
Finally, How could we find out the truth of whether they are or not....



Wouldn't this be impossible....couldn't they just influence us to forget about this
I never could believe that idea. Think about it really if they are "controlling our brains" why would be able to think about this idea?



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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Bet555, thats the power of suggestion and influencing at work. Its a mentally scripted hypnotic inducement. Old school marketers and advertisers used a slew of low down dirty tactics back in the 70's and early 80's to subliminally influence the masses to buy whatever product they wanted to sell. It goes on to this very day. A typical tv vhf signal can have piggybacked to it an ultrasonic carrier wave that can and does influence the mind and subconsious. The trick is in entraining the brain during a 30 second telivision commercial. Now normally it takes 5-6 minutes for the human mind to reach a set state of conciousness(alpha/beta/theta/delta ect). Advertisers know this and have to use many 'suggestive' tactics instead to influence and make one want there product withing a 30 second timeframe for example. Music and emotion and vivid images create feelings in a human being. Its all about associating these with feelings with experiences the people are familair with or desire(sex sells as an example).
If you can associate a product your selling or marketing with sex and pleasure(aka 99% of all beer commercials lol) you'll be a rich man.. Mind control and suggestability are key factors here. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

regards,

The fanatical



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by cosmokatt7
Assuming that the brain operates on the principle of electricity, we are sending "invisible signals" all day, every day...much like a radio.

I don't think it's so farfetched to think that maybe it can be controlled...


I will toss in a repeated experiance I have.
Playing cards......Gin, or Gin Rummy, with people I play with over and over. When I need a certain card, I splash it very large in my mind and see it clearly. I put the idea with the card that they do not want it, kind of like it a yucky card for them to have. It always gets tossed to me sooner rather than later.Unless of course its buried in the deck and not in play. I am virtually unbeatable, seriously.
I have always thought my ability to get them to give me the cards I need was just this sort of a power.
To have it work for me, I have to be completely confident and KNOW my game very well. So when learning a new card game and I am not to sure of the rules, it does not work.
It is harder to do with a new apponant, than with a repeated apponant, but I always try....


..............................just sayin



[edit on 21-6-2005 by theRiverGoddess]



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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RiverGoddess, its rather unfortunent that they dont play those in Vegas.

Now, if you could do that in Blackjack, someone would clean up.



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by theRiverGoddess

Originally posted by cosmokatt7
Assuming that the brain operates on the principle of electricity, we are sending "invisible signals" all day, every day...much like a radio.

I don't think it's so farfetched to think that maybe it can be controlled...


I will toss in a repeated experiance I have.
Playing cards......Gin, or Gin Rummy, with people I play with over and over. When I need a certain card, I splash it very large in my mind and see it clearly. I put the idea with the card that they do not want it, kind of like it a yucky card for them to have. It always gets tossed to me sooner rather than later.Unless of course its buried in the deck and not in play. I am virtually unbeatable, seriously.
I have always thought my ability to get them to give me the cards I need was just this sort of a power.
To have it work for me, I have to be completely confident and KNOW my game very well. So when learning a new card game and I am not to sure of the rules, it does not work.
It is harder to do with a new apponant, than with a repeated apponant, but I always try....


..............................just sayin



[edit on 21-6-2005 by theRiverGoddess]


RiverGoddess, please let me confirm what you just said im my words, if i am wrong please correct me.
(anyone: please i dont even play any card game so dont even think about
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You imagine your card clearly, step1.
Then you 'hope' you wont get that card, step2; OR
Then you focus on 'them' not wanting the card, step2

Which of the last 2 were you reffering too?



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 05:39 AM
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Raideur,

I haven't done this myself, but maybe you should try this... I've heard from other who have that you'll get good results.

If you write the CIA and ask for information regarding the Stargate research program (a government funded program for researching psychic phenomena) or things related to psi, you can actually find out some of the government's knowledge and take on psi. Obviously, though, if psi is real and they made major advancements, most of it would be classified.

According to the Freedom of Information Act (since Stargate is not classified), they will send you a bunch of information in a manilla envelope at a cost of around $30 or so, simply because they have to go through the effort of printing it out and shipping it and what not. It's well worth that small amount of money though, in my opinion.

The information given may present you with the more scientific aspect of psi that you're looking for. Hope that helps some.



posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 10:01 AM
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Probably a sinkhole of tax dollars on paper. If anything was useful, we'd know about it by now in some commerical application.

I might try that, but I never was one for getting involved with governement.



posted on Jun, 24 2005 @ 10:58 PM
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Raiduer,

From my perspective what PSI powers are is using your own intelligent energy to persuede energy around you to interact with the enviroment around you. When i say "intelligent energy" could be explained as the soul or spirit to religious people. Energy around does not posses the ability to act in a certain way by itself (unless your talking about disembodied energy or ghosts). what I believe is that people with the ability to do things like telekenesis, are using the energy around them to effect the enviroment. There is quite a few websites that talk about practicing this for yourself even with helpful videos. The only problem i see with this is that media can be faked. Pictures, videos can be faked very easyly. The only way to get the proof you need it to see it first hand. Right in front of you. Then I think your mind will open up to all the possiblities that the universe holds for us.


-Aza



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 08:48 AM
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One slight problem with that idea... Your brain is not that special. Even if there were malable energy around us, why would a lump of neurons be able to even change it? You need specialized electronics just to produce radio waves, which are very low energy.

I really do not see how a bunch of chemically firing cells can change EM radiation, heat, whatever, around you, but we do not know how.... We've figured out virtually every mechanism on the planet, you'd think we would know if we could influence energy directly...

And Im done "going along" with the idea that it might exist. It conflicts with every biological and physical bookmark I've ever heard. Besides, if I keep assuming it exists while we talk, my subconcious might just trick me into believing it, and that is not acceptable.

[edit on 25-6-2005 by Raideur]



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Raideur
I really do not see how a bunch of chemically firing cells can change EM radiation, heat, whatever, around you, but we do not know how.... We've figured out virtually every mechanism on the planet, you'd think we would know if we could influence energy directly...


I'm sure you have never taken medical class before. Every cell in our body has an electrical charge. The heart works on an electrical pulse. Our neurons work electrically as well as chemically. So we're bound to have a EM field around us, that come from our cells.

Here's a theory of consciousness..
unisci.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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It requires far more power to run a PC than the human brain, so the overall energy output of the mind isnt that substancial..

Even if there was something coming from our minds, why hasnt any for over an entire century found it? Seems odd... we can detect neutrinos, the smallest, chargeless particle we know of, but not simple EM radiation from our brains..

A neutrino is some insanely small number smaller in mass than a proton.. 10^30 or something crazy, I dont know the number...



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Raideur
Even if there was something coming from our minds, why hasnt any for over an entire century found it? Seems odd... we can detect neutrinos, the smallest, chargeless particle we know of, but not simple EM radiation from our brains..

A neutrino is some insanely small number smaller in mass than a proton.. 10^30 or something crazy, I dont know the number...


If you knew me better, you would know that I know what neutrino's are. And you're assuming now that we haven't been able detect a human EM field.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Raideur
It requires far more power to run a PC than the human brain, so the overall energy output of the mind isnt that substancial..

Even if there was something coming from our minds, why hasnt any for over an entire century found it? Seems odd... we can detect neutrinos, the smallest, chargeless particle we know of, but not simple EM radiation from our brains..

A neutrino is some insanely small number smaller in mass than a proton.. 10^30 or something crazy, I dont know the number...


In the first place, Raideur, you are confusing Signal strength with signal Density. The relative Strength of the EM (ElectroMagnetic) field has NO bearing on the Information contained within the field: the localized EM field generated by the magnet in the speaker of a radio is far stronger than the EM field on which the radio broadcast is transmitted, yet the broadcast signal's information density is far greater than the that contained by the magnet's EM field.

It is not Power, but Sensitivity that matters, Raideur. Our technology has only just recently become sensitive enough to detect the EM fields generated by living tissue. Not that the emissions wheren't there before; we just could not detect them.

And, in the second place, we have, or are at least, we are begining to "Find It". As our technology has improved, become more sensitive to the subtle variations in the EM fields generated by the body, we are begining to be able to corrolate these variations with specific phenomenon.

Our current level of technological sophistication allows us to use an EM field to image the internal structures of the body through MRI. Granted, to do this we must stimulate the subtle EM emmissions generated by the body using a magnetic field many times stronger than that generated by the Earth itself....Because our current technology is not yet Sensitive enough to detect variations in the bio-generated EM field without augmentation.

BTW, I would submit MRI scanning as just one of the "commercial" applications of these so-called non-existent bio-generated EM fields.

Our technology is developing, becoming more sensitive to the vast spectrum of EM field variations the body is capable of producing. Science is also, with the aid of computer technology, begining to be able to corrolate signal and variation to individual bio-processes, including thought. Prosthetic limbs are now being developed which can not only detect the presence of a nerve impulse, but interpet its "meaning" as well; insofar as to whether the impulse is to open/close or raise/lower the device.

I would submit that this, too, is ,albeit a crude example at best, a form of "remote influence".



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