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China's military closing the gap with U.S. of A.

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posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer


More room? The F-14 is 50% bigger then the F-22. It has more thrust.


I meant room as in they already have carrier full of aircraft how are they going to accomundate airforce jets to. airforce poilots flying the planes or navy pilots



You don't even try and give an explanation? What exactly is wrong with those nations? They are all strong allies. We built Afghanistan's government. Australia and South Korea have both gone into Iraq with us, and contributed large numbers of troops.


IRAQ. south koprea and australia both have very strong ties to chinas economy. they had nothing to lose by going to iraq.




More like the entire developed world who buys Chinese goods. And China would be #ed because without the low prices goods, they loose massive amounts of investment.


and china buys machinery raw materials etc... does any other country have a large trade deficit with china?




Bull. There were interviews and pictures done with people in the square who were injured.


Proof?




I remembered my statement, you just didn't specifically address it in the entire topic. There was no argument on it. And what I said is entirely true.


True
do you have any proof to back that up




And in all out war between America and China, Australia's trade with China is going to be shut down, anyway. Nothing would be coming in or out of China by way of sea. The best bet they have is to simply end the war as quickly as possible, and that's done by helping America in the end.



Yeah what happens after? do you think the chinese are going to have warm feelings to australian imports.

how long is this war going to be frought?




posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:13 AM
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China closing the gap to the 1970s that is.

Aus dont need china



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by Jezza
China closing the gap to the 1970s that is.

Aus dont need china


thats funny seeing how you cme frm WA where chinese money funds a lot of jobs inthe resource industry



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:33 AM
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Yeah the purchase of lpg


Didnt the chinese contract for the next 50 years supply of lpg?



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 07:37 AM
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Ah we now see the Chinese version of our holocaust deniers in ChinaWhite. Its pretty clear what went on in Tiananmen




Or see many from this site (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
China's Government Massacres Students



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:03 AM
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Pff, yeah keep on mentioning Tian An Men. As I have said a billion times before, you people don't know half the things that happened in Tiananmen. So keep you mouth shut until you hear first person from people that was actually there (my first aunt and my third aunt).





............................American propaganda, don't even ask what that meant, think about it.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Jezza
Yeah the purchase of lpg


Didnt the chinese contract for the next 50 years supply of lpg?


yeah like 10billion a year. not including other things



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Two, three days later and your still moving around with Missles and Knives. All for what?
Hand to hand combat practises when astray in /68. technology rules aggression now.

Drop the knives and missles and understand the US and it's allies will do whatever is necessary to ensure NWO is not a Chineese dominated future.

-laugh-

Dallas



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
Ah we now see the Chinese version of our holocaust deniers in ChinaWhite. Its pretty clear what went on in Tiananmen




Or see many from this site (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
China's Government Massacres Students


Holocaust???????

400-800 new york times
1,000 NSA
2,600 Red cross(one man)


Tiananmen Square, 1989

The Declassified History

www.gwu.edu...



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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I meant room as in they already have carrier full of aircraft how are they going to accomundate airforce jets to. airforce poilots flying the planes or navy pilots


If that's what you were talking abut, then your statement isn't even worth addressing it's that god damn foolish.


IRAQ. south koprea and australia both have very strong ties to chinas economy. they had nothing to lose by going to iraq.


Well, I don't see any explanation for Afghanistan. Guess that means I won't even get some half-assed explanation from you on that one.

They have more ties with America militarily, economically and socially. They won't be able to trade with China as long as America and China are at war, anyway.


and china buys machinery raw materials etc... does any other country have a large trade deficit with china?


Japan, and just about every other developed nation that trades with China.


True do you have any proof to back that up


For someone who gives so little proof, you sure ask for a lot of it.


Known for its combat role in the Korean conflict, this aircraft was single-handedly responsible for turning the tide of the air war in favor of the United States.


www.globalsecurity.org...


Yeah what happens after? do you think the chinese are going to have warm feelings to australian imports.


After China will be in American hands, and Australian companies will be given special privelages in the rebuilding process.

Also, FredT didn't call it a holocaust, he compared YOU to the people who deny the holocaust happened.

[edit on 27-6-2005 by Disturbed Deliverer]



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer

If that's what you were talking abut, then your statement isn't even worth addressing it's that god damn foolish.


i was talking about that all along




Well, I don't see any explanation for Afghanistan. Guess that means I won't even get some half-assed explanation from you on that one.

They have more ties with America militarily, economically and socially. They won't be able to trade with China as long as America and China are at war, anyway.


afganistan doesn't need a mention. just imagine the logistic problems.

China is koreas largest expot market and austrailas second. how much south koreans australians live in america




Japan, and just about every other developed nation that trades with China.


www.rieti.go.jp...




For someone who gives so little proof, you sure ask for a lot of it.


you haven't gave any proof in you arguement with me.... and i have provided links maps and quotes. i dont have to spoon feed you everytime you wanna know something.


Known for its combat role in the Korean conflict, this aircraft was single-handedly responsible for turning the tide of the air war in favor of the United States.
www.globalsecurity.org...


Ummm.......... whats this have to do with anything




After China will be in American hands, and Australian companies will be given special privelages in the rebuilding process.

Also, FredT didn't call it a holocaust, he compared YOU to the people who deny the holocaust happened.



ummmm....... you think china is going to let people in their country. think about the 2+million troops + reserve forces +milta... ifs gonna be a long war. it wouldn't matter how much high-tech equipment you have you wont have enough to patrol the chiense population



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
Ah we now see the Chinese version of our holocaust deniers in ChinaWhite. Its pretty clear what went on in Tiananmen



i dont deny people died in beijing but no-one was killed in tiananmen square



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:51 PM
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The accomplishments of the CCF (Chinese Communist Forces) against an army which was far better armed, and which enjoyed total air supremacy, are truly remarkable. Although the NK had been well armed by Russia, and carefully prepared for their invasion of the South, the CCF were so ill-equipped to challenge a modern army that it is almost understandable why our Far East Command initially thought they were an ineffective rabble of "volunteers". Armed with a bewildering mixture of British, US, Japanese and other weapons, presenting an incomprehensible logistics problem, without heavy artillery or tanks, and no air power, it was difficult for high command to take them seriously. Plus, they gave no obvious sign of their entry, let alone their large numbers, until they first attacked.

www.rt66.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by FredT
Ah we now see the Chinese version of our holocaust deniers in ChinaWhite. Its pretty clear what went on in Tiananmen



i dont deny people died in beijing but no-one was killed in tiananmen square

Are you being sarcastic or is this a joke.Everyone ones knows thousands of innocent students died in Tiananmen square.I suspect you are one of the Chinese govt agents trying to debunk and spread disinfo and spreading propaganda.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by warthog911

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by FredT
Ah we now see the Chinese version of our holocaust deniers in ChinaWhite. Its pretty clear what went on in Tiananmen



i dont deny people died in beijing but no-one was killed in tiananmen square

Are you being sarcastic or is this a joke.Everyone ones knows thousands of innocent students died in Tiananmen square.I suspect you are one of the Chinese govt agents trying to debunk and spread disinfo and spreading propaganda.


hello there...



However, it is important to note that NSA documents declassified in 1999 show that their intelligence gives an estimate of 180-500 killed. Thus the various Chinese government estimates are in agreement with the official US government estimate.



Within the Square itself, there was apparently a debate between those including Han Dongfang, who wished to withdraw peacefully, and those including Chai Ling, who wished to stand within the square at the risk of possibly creating a bloodbath. Those in favor of withdrawal won, and the protesters left the square. The Chinese government has claimed that no one was killed in the square itself, a fact that by the accounts of those who were actually in the Square appears to be technically true, but misleading in that it does not account for the casualties in the approaches to the square



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 04:27 AM
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Before you try and debate me in the subject with your microscopic brains first read these

The many truths of Tiananmen
www.atimes.com...

The Myth of Tiananmen
archives.cjr.org...

The Tiananmen Square Confrontation: Rewriting History for a new Generation
www.hartford-hwp.com...

Tiananmen
Square
Uprising:
A Perspective

www.sinomania.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 06:52 PM
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afganistan doesn't need a mention. just imagine the logistic problems


Afghanistan borders China. What logistical problems would there be? It certainly wouldn't be more difficult then launching from Australia or Japan.


China is koreas largest expot market and austrailas second. how much south koreans australians live in america


First, there aren't that many of either group in America. We don't even have that many Chinese.


www.rieti.go.jp...


You'll notice this part right here:


Of this amount, exports to China surged 43.6% to $57.2 billion, while imports from China rose 21.9% to $75.2 billion.


That's a trade deficit.

And they had to add in Hong Kong and Taiwan to tip the scales in China for everything else. Pretty pathetic...


you haven't gave any proof in you arguement with me.... and i have provided links maps and quotes. i dont have to spoon feed you everytime you wanna know something.


I just gave links in my last post. I've given a source anytime you've asked. You have not done the same.


Ummm.......... whats this have to do with anything


Before the Sabre was introduced into Korea, the airwar was in the communist forces favor.


ummmm....... you think china is going to let people in their country. think about the 2+million troops + reserve forces +milta... ifs gonna be a long war. it wouldn't matter how much high-tech equipment you have you wont have enough to patrol the chiense population


The only problem is supplying the bullets. With weapons like gunships, any mob of Chinese civillians could be cut down easy. Once America gains air superiority, and we will, it's over for all Chinese conventional forces.


i dont deny people died in beijing but no-one was killed in tiananmen square


I still fail to see what the point of bringing this up is. Even if true (it's just a dumb statement by the Chinese government), it shows nothing at all. Thousands of civllians were still killed.


The accomplishments of the CCF (Chinese Communist Forces) against an army which was far better armed, and which enjoyed total air supremacy, are truly remarkable. Although the NK had been well armed by Russia, and carefully prepared for their invasion of the South, the CCF were so ill-equipped to challenge a modern army that it is almost understandable why our Far East Command initially thought they were an ineffective rabble of "volunteers". Armed with a bewildering mixture of British, US, Japanese and other weapons, presenting an incomprehensible logistics problem, without heavy artillery or tanks, and no air power, it was difficult for high command to take them seriously. Plus, they gave no obvious sign of their entry, let alone their large numbers, until they first attacked.


When China first invaded, it had superiority. It had Russian pilots and a large number of Mig-15's (over 1,000). America wouldn't even let its pilots fly until we got the Sabre.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer


Afghanistan borders China. What logistical problems would there be? It certainly wouldn't be more difficult then launching from Australia or Japan.


austraila and japan both aren't land- locked countries. you would need to fly everything in. pakistan wouldn't let you use their ports or iran.




First, there aren't that many of either group in America. We don't even have that many Chinese.


omg. you said those countries were connected more socialy compared to china. i was pointing out how many south koreans and austrailans live there.




You'll notice this part right here:


Of this amount, exports to China surged 43.6% to $57.2 billion, while imports from China rose 21.9% to $75.2 billion.


That's a trade deficit.

And they had to add in Hong Kong and Taiwan to tip the scales in China for everything else. Pretty pathetic...


i those figures are out-dated. chinese and japanese trade reached 160billion




I just gave links in my last post. I've given a source anytime you've asked. You have not done the same.


one link to nothing about the subject were talking about.

if you want me to quote the links i gave you then i will




Before the Sabre was introduced into Korea, the airwar was in the communist forces favor.



the mig-15 was first flown in korea in november 1950 and the sabre entered service in december 1950. i dont see a huge time gap?


By September 1951, with some 525 MiG-15s in the Yalu area, Soviet and Chinese leaders were confident enough to begin planning the deployment of Chinese and new North Korean MiG-15 regiments into North Korea itself, outside Chinese sanctuaries.





The only problem is supplying the bullets. With weapons like gunships, any mob of Chinese civillians could be cut down easy. Once America gains air superiority, and we will, it's over for all Chinese conventional forces.


yeah tried gain air superioty with 10,000 anti-air missile launchers.... It hasn't been proven that air power alone can win a war. WW2, Korean war, vietnam.




I still fail to see what the point of bringing this up is. Even if true (it's just a dumb statement by the Chinese government), it shows nothing at all. Thousands of civllians were still killed.


thousands??

read my links that i have provided.

the offical estimate of the US governement is 180-500killed




When China first invaded, it had superiority. It had Russian pilots and a large number of Mig-15's (over 1,000). America wouldn't even let its pilots fly until we got the Sabre.


Please please please stop with these ignorant post.....

During the height of the korean war. russia deployed 2 divisions and china deplyed 2 divisions and north korea im not sure. all together there was 525 planes .

chinas airforce in 1953 numbered 1000 planes of all sorts... in the first phase of the war the chinese pilots didn't have air cover. china didn't deploy her airforce into the korean war at the time. only in 1951 did she recivie mig-15s

www.afa.org...


Disturbed Deliverer you are very misinformed.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
America wouldn't even let its pilots fly until we got the Sabre.


american wouldn't let their B-29 fly day light bombing raids not fighter planes.

they needed a escort



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 11:12 PM
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Excuse me, but what is this topic about or concerning: Tiananmen or China's military closing the gap with U.S. of A.?!


How about we get back on track and the original topic?





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