China's military closing the gap with U.S. of A.

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posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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www.washtimes.com...

China's military capability is catching up with that of the United States according to a Rand Corp. study.
A Rand report quoted by the Russian newspaper Pravda Thursday said the gap was expected to further narrow in the next few years.
Pravda said excerpts from the report drawn up for U.S. intelligence chiefs detailed China's military breakthroughs and development over the past few years.
The newspaper said the report had probably been leaked to the public to increase support for higher budget allocations for the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence agencies.


maybe China is closing the gap, but i dont think its moving dat fast. in anicase the U.S. shouldnt worry about China's military for another decade or 2. this is probably just to make excuse in putting more money on big military projects as well as funding for black projects.




posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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GOod the world would be better with two sides and the bullying would stop.
America =negative polarity.
china=positive polarity

Now all we need is that china becomes a democracy



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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No, we need enlightened dictatorship



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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Not alot of info.

So, my guess is that the gap moved from 20 years ahead to just 15. Yeah, we should be worried.



Is this really a problem anyway? If they do close the gap....so what? I know it's good to be number 1 (and I don't see us losing that anytime soon), but if they're a little behind us, what's the big deal?
If they caught up to us do people honestly think they'd be stupid enough to attack us or something? If they did that, all the progress they've made would have been for nothing as they'd end up behind again once everything is said and done.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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Yepp, I know about that one... The Chinese are putting more money into army every year now...



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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didnt arms races prove one thing? They end up in war, ww1 is a great example of one nation closing the gap, so its a very series thing if you think that the Chinese are better than the US when it comes to treating humans you are sorely mistaken.

under the US or under Sino either way you are still under someone all this can do is lead to another cold war and the us bring out more black projects. the secret toys in the attic which is never a good thing.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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I took this from your posting...good point.

"if you think that the Chinese are better than the US when it comes to treating humans you are sorely mistaken."

This is such a overlooked view ..when the media gets ahold of it ..they are so slanted ..both historically and in current terms. The buisness at Gitmo is textbook.
Historically the French in thier colonies were never known for giving the locals a even break and pretty much treated the peoples in their colonies horribly ..while looting them and not investing much.
The British under the "Crown" policys were not much better.The history of India/China is a classic example giving rise to famous people like Mahatma Ghandi. You do however..need to know that there is a difference in a Crown colony and a Commonwealth.
People who dont know much of the history and who are easily lead by their teachers and the media do like go gang up on America. Not that we wear the white hats mind you ..but there is much more going on than meets or has met the eye.

The militarys with all thier tools ...have always been a extention of the merchants and the merchantile fleets...protecting these investments. This has never changed..no matter what rhetoric one learns in school as the standard line. This merchantile war has been going on since the Greeks and Romans...if not before. It has only changed or altered faces as empires come and go..and technology arrives to change the way things are done and the reasons for this. New wealth is not in spices and silks anymore but in Oil, ores,electronics...and the energy/knowhow to put them into usable form. Also in control of trade routes by which to ship these goods.
By the way ..one of the other forms of merchants today ...though they have always been around..is banks and insurance companys. They are just merchants in moneys and just as ferverently intend to protect their investments.
When you know and understand this it will change the way you look at conflicts and the reasons behind them.
This also in history has had much to do with how people are treated and why.

Good point you made there..Char2c35t..

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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GOod the world would be better with two sides and the bullying would stop.
America =negative polarity.
china=positive polarity


Yeah positive polarity, did you happen to catch the news breaks about china banning the words democracy, freedom, and human rights from being entered in their internet and computer program. If someone in china wants to enter those words and read about them they get a wring, and china is even training “internet Police” for people who do not wish to remain ignorant. China employs the worlds biggest internet and content censoring and filtering program in the world, not to mention their outstanding record on human rights and punishment.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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I've heard that China has some of the most up to date system for computers in the world..meaning the latest in fiber optic systems. New stuff ..not Olde mixed batch stuff like spans the USA. You know sort of stop gap stuff ..olde and new.
Not so in China. This means it was put there with Western knowhow.
As to China monitoring this stuff..I am not surprised. It is done here too. We are just not as aware of it as others but it is done. They just have a different background from which they are working than do we here in the USA.

It is my belief that the western powers used the events leading up to Tiananmen Square ...in the 1990s to let the Chinese know we could get to them if we wanted. Upset their apple cart if need be. I suppose the government has really and quietly cracked down since and trying to maintain their power base. By western powers I mean the merchants.
Intresting post West Point..

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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Tiananmen Square...1989.

Orangetom



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:25 PM
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why do you feel that democracy is better for china..i would be very interested in these answers..

everyone says china needs democracy with out giving reasons?

i think if china ever got democracy it would be a very courrpt country. right now for a low offense courrption charge you would get 10-20 years. in a democracy for a high level charge you'll only get 7-15 years.. people will risk a small charge for 10-20 years think about if someone in a democracy will risk for a large sum of money?

In the past there have been times where china hasn't had a stable government(democracy) the country fell into civil war. A big country needs a strong leadership to function properly for things go missing.


I heard the americans want china to have democracy so they can have more trade from china and lower the value of the Renminbi so america can have a advantage on china..

Now ask yourself what is the advantage of a democracy in china. if their not compling reasons dont post it.

The chinese government looks after the chinese people very well

Everyone says how many students died.. does any one know how much soldiers died before the attack.. more than 5000 trying to level with these students using tear gas rubber bullets. these people were crazy people..



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
Everyone says how many students died.. does any one know how much soldiers died before the attack.. more than 5000 trying to level with these students using tear gas rubber bullets. these people were crazy people..


yeah.... they so crazy the soldiers have to use tanks to kill them.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Have you noticed that the video where the student stands in front of a column of tanks and tried to stop it? Have you watched what happened after? A bunch of other students came and grabbed the kid away.

There were numerous violent protests in many many cities. They were pushing cars, trucks, buses upside down, burning stores and transportational vehicles. They were violent. Police there to keep the peace were attacked with improvised explosive devices, rocks and those who knew how to drive cars even tried to run down police officers with the cars. If your not present or heard first hand then I really adivse people not to post what they heard on the opinion because what they heard is really biased.

What Americans hear is simply a one sided story. This shows how "free" US of A really is, talk about irony.

[edit on 17-6-2005 by COWlan]



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:48 PM
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A Rand report quoted by the Russian newspaper Pravda Thursday


I find it amazing that an American newspaper would use Pravda as a source for anything. This entire story is unreliable at best.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 07:39 PM
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What Americans hear is simply a one sided story. This shows how "free" US of A really is, talk about irony.


Yeah one sided, maybe because you government had something to hide and it would not allow western journalists to film, talk or report abut what was really happening in china. Remember the Tom Brokaw secret footage of china?

Democracy is the way to go for any big county who wants to be civilized and modern, this ruling with an iron fist idea is really old and retarded cuz it will not work. It only isolates you people from the rest of the world even more and makes them suffer more.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 08:11 PM
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I never said democracy is best for China! Where did you get that Idea??

I have news for you Chinawhite...all man made systems are corrupt or fall in to corruption eventually. This is obvious in the history of the Chinese governments before the advent of the present one. They fell quickly into corruption making them vulnurable to outside manipulation. The opium wars are a classic example of this.
I said ...by Western powers..I meant the merchants. Decendents of the same merchants and merchant powers who put opium in China to cover their losses in silver paid for Chinese silks and teas. Various governments are the tools of the merchants and always have been.
There has been plenty of corruption to go around under the communists also..as one group or another falls into or out of power. History under the communists is replete with this. It is just another variation of feudalism..
We have variations of the same thing going on here in the USA under the guise of the two party system...feudalism. Same merchants!! Its just that today they are more international that ever.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 08:24 PM
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Democracy promotes individualism and capitalism. It has been relatively successful for the past few centuries, but it is far from perfect and is very unlikely to lead to any utopian future society. Unless everyone in a democracy is a saint, democracy will inevitably bring disorder. A democratic/anarchic society full of saints is what Communism is, and it is proposed by Karl Marx as the final stage of evolution in human society for the very far future. However, considering that humans are so easily corrupted, I do not believe such a society will ever exist. The closest society to perfection I see is Socialism under enlightened dictatorship. That "enlightened dictatorship" is, however, extremely hard to get. The only enlightened dictator for the PRC I can think of is Deng Xiao Ping but he already passed away and is no longer in office. In the future, perhaps through higher education, there will be more people capable of becoming enlightened dictators. But one thing is for sure, the type of government existing in the US today (semi-democratic/republican capitalism) cannot remain or spread to other countries if we are to evolve to perfection.

[edit on 17-6-2005 by Taishyou]



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23

What Americans hear is simply a one sided story. This shows how "free" US of A really is, talk about irony.


Yeah one sided, maybe because you government had something to hide and it would not allow western journalists to film, talk or report abut what was really happening in china. Remember the Tom Brokaw secret footage of china?

Democracy is the way to go for any big county who wants to be civilized and modern, this ruling with an iron fist idea is really old and retarded cuz it will not work. It only isolates you people from the rest of the world even more and makes them suffer more.


If you want to see first hand china go to one of chinas big cities in the night life or a small country town.. you will see the younger generation enjoying themselves with out any government interference.

Difine civilized?

a country thats has a long history culture old civilisation or a new country without a long recorded history.

last time i checked china has the worlds fastest growing economy . trades with many nations has culture links with all south-east asian nations.


GIVE A GOOD REASON WHY CHINA NEEDS DEMOCRACY



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
I never said democracy is best for China! Where did you get that Idea??

I have news for you Chinawhite...all man made systems are corrupt or fall in to corruption eventually. This is obvious in the history of the Chinese governments before the advent of the present one. They fell quickly into corruption making them vulnurable to outside manipulation. The opium wars are a classic example of this.
I said ...by Western powers..I meant the merchants. Decendents of the same merchants and merchant powers who put opium in China to cover their losses in silver paid for Chinese silks and teas. Various governments are the tools of the merchants and always have been.
There has been plenty of corruption to go around under the communists also..as one group or another falls into or out of power. History under the communists is replete with this. It is just another variation of feudalism..
We have variations of the same thing going on here in the USA under the guise of the two party system...feudalism. Same merchants!! Its just that today they are more international that ever.

Thanks,
Orangetom


my post wasn't directed to you...its for nationlist americans
*cough* westpoint*cough*

It you look at chias history when there is a strong leader(communist china is very calm properous society when there is a weak leader(demoracy) there is chaos. the weaker government is more inclined to be currput because of the smaller punishment for being caught.



At the time of the opium wars there was a very weak leader..china population in the 19th centuray had skyrocketed from 100million when they took power in 1644 to 400million in 1850 . also half of china at that time was in some sort of rebellion..



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 10:19 PM
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Chinese is considered an ethnic group by convention, but in fact we Chinese know it's not true.

Because overwhelminly majority of Chinese belong to "Han" ethnic group, and the written language of Chinese is called "Han language" in China, the world usually thinks a person from China is usually considered to belong to the "Chinese" ethnicity, although in China, people thinks "Chinese" does not define ethnicity, it's merely a term for nationality.

There are 56 ethnic groups in China, 91% are Hans, even including Russians living in the northwest and Koreans living near the border of China and North Korea.

Well, if a Tibetan who possesses Chinese passport comes to US, then by looking at the passport, people think that guy is a Chinese. Only by furthur inquiry can one know he's Tibetan. Everyone know the west wants Tibet to be independent, so they consider Tibetan as non-Chinese. But in which ways do the apperances of Tibetans differ from average Chinese? hardly. But people in China knows he is not Han, because every Chinese citizen, on his/her profile, says the ethnic group that person belongs to and the province of origin (usually on the farther's side). Well, it's similar to racial profiling in US to say if a person is white, black, or latino.

But most westerners do not know that Han means, they know Chinese, they know Tibetans, and Mongols (the great mongol Genghis Khan leader who conquered all Asia), they know Koreans. It would be ironic for an ethnic Korean who lived in China to come to North America, then people ask him about the ethnicity, he would say he's Korean, he would also say he's Chinese because he's CHinese citizen. Then many people would be surprised to see a Korean Chinese who came from China who could not even speak Korean well, but still, he's treated as a Chinese by the agencies because of the passport. But in China, most people know Korean belong to one of the 56 ethnicities and how can you say a Korean Chinese isn't CHinese?

Same thing would apply to Mongol Chinese, most Mongol Chinese would consider themselves as Chinese instead of Mongol because China is a better country than Mongol. Would a Korean Chinese consider himself a Korean because Korea is richer than China?

There are also Turkish groups living in the western China, who look similar to Afghans, or even southern Europeans, but they are Chinese, aren't they? (they are not Han)

There are Muslims living all over China, their history can trace back to almost a century ago when somne Arabs came to western part of China to spread Islam, then they were mixed with Hans, and they formed Muslim ethnic group. Most of them still believe in Islam. Aren't they Chinese? Yes they are.

So Chinese should not be considered as a term for ethnicity, but a nationality like "American", which does not tell whether a person is white, black or brown,..

Although 1% of Japanese aren't ethnicly Nippon, we often think Japanese is a word for ethnic group because 99% people living in Japan are Nippon.

But 9% of Chinese aren't Hans, which is over 100 million people! So we can't ignore them. Yes, they are Chinese because they have chinese citizenship, but they aren't Hans., and some have thier own history and language. But most non-Chinese refer Chinese as Hans, which is a mistake.





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