Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
If you make a racial comment in Mr.Galloway's Britain, you go to jail - that does not constitute free speach in my book. Hence my comment about not necessarily agreeing with what you say, but supporting your right to say it.

As for firearms ownership and "trusting" people to own guns. I trust the people far more than I would trust any government, and remember that if it weren't for people owning guns and standing up to a unjust government, you wouldn't be typing in this forum, because the USA would not exist in its current form. And which gun hating nation did we happen to overcome to achieve those freedoms, why of course it was the UK ! How ironic n'est ce pa ? There are 2 million legal uses of privately owned firearms in the US each year to defend the life of the owner or their immediate family, 97% do not result in the discharge of any weapon. Four years ago, the wife of a close friend of ours was one of those people. Would YOU like to tell her that she can't be trusted to have a gun any longer, and that next time she'll just have to die for the good of society.

You should also understand that all socialists hate the USA, and you can have little doubt that once Mr.Galloway got through munching on his last free USDA steak and took the last pat on the back from some stupid Congressman, he would have got right back into form criticizing those "stupid, fat, war loving Americans".

Watching America pander to the likes of Galloway is like watching a child enjoy the attention it is getting from a pedophile.

Ah far starters, Mr.Galloway's Britain is actually Mr.Blair's Britain. The racial hatred laws we have here are Blair's doing, not Galloways. You remember Blair right? President Bush's strongest ally. So basically your swipe at Galloway is incorrect.

Also I wouldnt fall foul of racial hatred laws in the first place. I dont see race as being a factor in my opinion on them. If they are a decent person, race will not factor into my feelings towards them. If you want to protect some ones right to verbally abuse some one thats your choice I suppose. But youre view is thankfully in the minority in my country.

With regards to firearms, well I think this issue has been done to death. Also the fact that your username includes the words "Winchester" and "Ranger" seriously mute my want to enter into an argument on the topic. No offence.

And to conclude, the point about all Socialists hating America. So what? Do all Americans hate Communists? I fail to see your point here. Galloway is a bad man automatically because he doesnt not espouse to your political ideal? Well I see a common thread in your dislike of Galloway: prejudice

[edit on 23/6/05 by subz]

Originally posted by subzAh far starters, Mr.Galloway's Britain is actually Mr.Blair's Britain. The racial hatred laws we have here are Blair's doing, not Galloways. You remember Blair right? President Bush's strongest ally. So basically your swipe at Galloway is incorrect.

Also I wouldnt fall foul of racial hatred laws in the first place. I dont see race as being a factor in my opinion on them. If they are a decent person, race will not factor into my feelings towards them. If you want to protect some ones right to verbally abuse some one thats your choice I suppose. But youre view is thankfully in the minority in my country.

With regards to firearms, well I think this issue has been done to death. Also the fact that your username includes the words "Winchester" and "Ranger" seriously mute my want to enter into an argument on the topic. No offence.

And to conclude, the point about all Socialists hating America. So what? Do all Americans hate Communists? I fail to see your point here. Galloway is a bad man automatically because he doesnt not espouse to your political ideal? Well I see a common thread in your dislike of Galloway: prejudice

[edit on 23/6/05 by subz]

Hmmm, well, bad grammar aside let me try and deal with your ramble.

I'm not sure which country happens to be "yours", but if it's the USA, then the majority of your countrymen most definitely agree with the right to say whatever they feel appropriate, because they support that insignificant little document called The Constitution (ok, technically the Bill of Rights), and yes that includes religiously intolerant remarks and racism. If you go down the road of restricting what people can say, no matter what the topic, you are letting the Devil in for dinner. The Founding Fathers understood that, but stupidity it seems does not fade with time.

Let me give you a little edumacation (sic) on the subject of British politics. Mr.Blair equals a moderate Socialist, Galloway is a radical Socialist, i.e. even the most extreme Labour Party manifesto didn't go far enough for him. He swallowed this for quite a while, because he wanted to stay in mainstream politics, but when it came time to stand by America in Iraq, his Trotsky leanings couldn't bear the thought of helping the "Great Satan", so he said F.U. to his own party (and the US by the way), and went it alone.

If you take nothing else away from this, understand that Galloway would have left the USA to fight her enemies alone - even stupid people should understand the significance of that.

So you're not concerned that Socialists hate America, and you ask "do all Americans hate Communists", the answer is no - but they DO hate Communism, you need to understand the difference.

As for not discussing the subject of firearms with me because my screen name contains a firearms related reference, if your arguments are valid, what's there to be scared of ? I don't bite, much.

Alright, I'm pretty much done with you, but my fervent desire is that people wise up and start to tell the bad guys from the good guys, and Galloway represents one of the former.



[edit on 24-6-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
I'm not sure which country happens to be "yours"

Originally posted by subz
The racial hatred laws we have here are Blair's doing, not Galloways.

Have a guess.

To the rest: meh

sometime next year, after his tour in America, i will probably get him back to get a catch up with him

Originally posted by looking4truth
What are the real links between RESPECT and SWP (Socialists Workers Party)?

RESPECT members are also allowed to hold membership in SWP. How can an anti-war activist be aligned with a group that supports military dictators? SWP's newsletter is called "The Militant", it's not anti-war it's anti-capitolism. Mr. Galloway and RESPECT have won the support of SWP and other socialist groups and it's not because of opposition to the war in Iraq. Galloway seems to be a hero of sorts to the socialist movement. Finding a way to hide behind a smoke screen and piggy back his way to winning the election on a false Anti-war platform.

Socialism
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Hello. The Cold War is over. Rabid ideological hatred is antiquated. Capitalism won the battle, you can put the bandolier down bud.

BTW I would prefer everyone to be financially the same than the system we have now. Thats not illegal you know, we are allowed to not like capitalism. You know, the right to free speech etc. Even if Galloway was a socialist, its not a crime.

I didn't say socialism is a crime. On the contrary it has some appeal. It doesn't work and that's its main fault though.

My point about Mr. Galloway is that he is not what he seems. I think he is using ant-war rhetoric as a smoke screen for his views. This is a conspiracy site and here is a man who seems to be part of a hard left cabal with aspirations for world wide socialism. Why were no questions put to him about the financing of RESPECT? Why no questions about whether they are or are not connect to anti-semitic Islamic groups? Is it only a conspiracy site around here if the conspiracy implicates an American president?

I'm not a right wing fanatic. I don't dis-like people who believe in the outdated notions of socialism. I do however dis-like frauds, deceptive people, and most of all elected politicians that don't show up for thier duties. Sure the man is a Fiery character in interviews and speeches but his abcsence of debate where he promised to make it, in parliment, makes him a do nothing talking head.

And I've got a ticket to see him. Convocation Hall, U of T, Friday, September 16th 7 p.m.

Can't wait!

We need more like him!

im aiming to get him back in the new year, i have numerous topics i would like his views on and some other things aswell

Bumped for one reason;

George predicted David Miliband would be the next Labour leader after Brown (who has a 17% approval rating in the UK) and he could be by the end of the year!