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Chinese airforce finally buys JF-17/FC-1

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posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 01:15 AM
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Chinese air force to buy 200

To coincide with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao’s three-day visit to Pakistan last week, the Pakistan air force’s Kamra aircraft factory near Rawalpindi was the scene on April 6 of a ceremony marking the launching of manufacturing operations for components that will go into the assembly of the JF-17 Thunder jet fighter developed jointly by China and Pakistan.

The aircraft is being built by China’s Chengdu Aircraft Group Corporation in collaboration with China Aero Technology Import & Export Company, with manpower, aircraft components and other inputs from PAF’s aircraft factory at Kamra.

With serial production of the JF-17 due to begin at Chengdu in China in January 2006, the first batch of aircraft, out of a total of 150 ordered by Pakistan at about $15 million per copy, or a total price tag of $2.25 billion, is expected to be inducted into the Pakistan air force by mid-2006.

From Pakistan’s point of view, the good news is that the Chinese air force has now also decided to buy 200 JF-17s, in a deal that could be worth up to $3 billion.

Under the income-sharing formula agreed between the two countries, up to 50 per cent of the revenue from all JF-17 sales will accrue to Pakistan, with the other 50 per cent going to the Chinese manufacturer.

www.jang.com.pk...

[edit on 17-6-2005 by chinawhite]




posted on Jun, 18 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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What is this J-17 ? Can anyone provide a link?





by Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad and Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington Financial Times- 10-05-2005

Pakistan and China have agreed to start joint production of a new fighter aircraft intended as a replacement for the ageing French and Chinese aircraft used by Pakistan's Air Force, a senior Pakistani airforce officer said on Monday. The agreement comes only two months after the US offered to sell F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan, reversing sanctions applied almost 15 years ago over Islamabad's nuclear weapons programme. The move also comes as the US voices concern about the rise of the Chinese military. China passed an anti-secession law in March that would require its military to use force to block any Taiwanese moves towards independence.
Tom Donnelly, defence analyst at the American Enterprise Institute, said the new JF-17 could enhance China's ability to intimidate Taiwan and mount an air campaign following a missile attack on the island. "These are pieces of the puzzle that China are putting together that work together very well in a complementary fashion," said Mr Donnelly. "Each piece per se you would be able to deal with, but it will all complicate a quick US response [to any attack on Taiwan]." John Pike, defence analyst at GlobalSecurity.org, says it is not clear whether China would buy the jet. But he says they likely would buy some to complement the Chinese-built J-10, which is replacing China's aging fleet of Soviet-ear jets. "The US would have to be concerned about what it might do with respect to Taiwan," said Mr Pike. The first four of the JF-17 "Thunder" aircraft would be delivered to Pakistan next year for trial flights, while the supply of 150 aircraft ! would begin in 2007, said Air Vice Marshal Shahid Latif, project director. China's Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute is the architect of the JF-17 while its prototypes, first flown last year by Pakistani test pilots, were made by the Chengdu Aircraft Company based in Sichuan province.

"The [JF-17] project is not only of strategic importance to the air force but it has far-reaching implications both for the national defence and economic prosperity of Pakistan," Air Vice Marshal Latif said in a rare press briefing. Pakistan and China were planning to produce at least 400 JF-17 fighters, with the balance of 250 of them on order for China's airforce. Pakistani air force officials said that, under the agreement between their two countries, half the fighters would be produced on an assembly line in China while the other half would be made in Pakistan. But some analysts said the JF-17 would not pose any threat to the US. "If you want hundreds of planes to look size a sizable air force, it comes in handy," said Richard Aboulafia, aviation analyst at the Teal Group. "It does not come in handy in any other circumstances. If you put it head to head against an F-16 it would probably last about 5 seconds." Michael O'Hanlon, defence! analyst at the Brookings Institution, said the US was less concerned with fighter jets produced by China. "These are a couple of middle range technological powers," said Mr O'Hanlon. "I worry a lot more about Soviet-era MiGs and Su-27s and Israeli command and control and any help with their pilot training." A Pakistani government official said the JF-17 project was being pursued with a view to exporting the fighter to other countries. "It's the first time China plans to export the JF-17 to another country and Pakistan's experience could help China with its future marketing efforts." One US Senate aide said the move by Pakistan was partly aimed at reducing its dependency on the US to provide fighter jets.



posted on Jun, 18 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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Jf-17 is a low-tech compliment for the J-10. It costs about 15 million, less than a third of the Su-30. It is using the Italian Griffo 2000 radar, which is based on the Griffo S-7, which is in turn based on the AN/APG-68, a battle tested radar used on new F-16C/Ds. It has 1 RD-93 powerplant, DSI intakes (2nd aircraft to use this after the JSF) and can arm the SD-10 BVRAAM, which gives it a missle of around the same level as early model R-77s.

[edit on 18/6/05 by W4rl0rD]



posted on Jun, 18 2005 @ 07:43 PM
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I think SD-10 is on par with the R-77s in service, if it isn't then J-10 and FC-1 would be using the R-77s instead wouldn't it? R-77M1s are what people should be looking out for, 150 kilometre range, ramjet powerplant, a even better seeker........too bad it has to be funded by China and India.



posted on Jun, 18 2005 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Jf-17 is a low-tech compliment for the J-10. It costs about 15 million, less than a third of the Su-30. It is using the Italian Griffo 2000 radar, which is based on the Griffo S-7, which is in turn based on the AN/APG-68, a battle tested radar used on new F-16C/Ds. It has 1 RD-93 powerplant, DSI intakes (2nd aircraft to use this after the JSF) and can arm the SD-10 BVRAAM, which gives it a missle of around the same level as early model R-77s.

[edit on 18/6/05 by W4rl0rD]


it orders goes over 300 planes then it will cost $10 million. the PLA version is going to have a chinese radar



posted on Jun, 19 2005 @ 10:19 PM
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What will this mean if china decides to go attack america? Will be make it easier to do more damage, or are they just upgrading their fleet without having to research new plane designs for themselves?

llama009


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posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by llama009
What will this mean if china decides to go attack america? Will be make it easier to do more damage, or are they just upgrading their fleet without having to research new plane designs for themselves?

llama009


Don't turn this thread into another US vs. China, there's already a thread that's 69 pages long on this in this section of the forum. You can discuss it there.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 09:38 AM
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Geez, why does everybody think China's going to attack US? Scaredy cats! China wants nothing to do with the US military wise. It's the US that's paranoid all the time and does pre-emptive attacks.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Taishyou
Geez, why does everybody think China's going to attack US? Scaredy cats! China wants nothing to do with the US military wise. It's the US that's paranoid all the time and does pre-emptive attacks.


wants nothing to do with U.S.
maybe u should look at some of the China's military experts who talked and deal with America wen they decide to invade Taiwan.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 01:57 PM
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military experts

Such as?

At any rate, China has no interest to deal with the US military. It only has to do so because the US keeps getting involved with the China vs The-Other-China situation, just like it always does with conflicts between many other countries and their internal affairs. If there ever be a China vs US conflict, it would be on America's invitation. Some people make it sound like China the one so eager to get into such a fight.

Anyway I've said enough off topic stuff. This discussion should go to the US vs China thread. This thread is about FC-1 purchases

[edit on 20-6-2005 by Taishyou]



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Taishyou

military experts

Such as?

Some people make it sound like China the one so eager to get into such a fight.


[edit on 20-6-2005 by Taishyou]


o yeah they eager alright, u see all those missiles pointing at Taiwan. yep they eager alright. in anicase lets move on shall we.
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posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 04:52 PM
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That would be a PRC vs. Taiwan fight. If the US wants to get into it, that's its own decision, not China's decision to "attack America" as some would put it.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 06:53 PM
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The US does not mind if china reunites with Taiwan peacefully, we are only saying we would get involved if china use military force. So the decision to start a war or not is in Chinas hands.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 07:28 PM
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what kind of jet fighter is the jf-17
have you got any info can it be used in all condition and is it nuke capable?



posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:26 AM
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the JF-17 is a third generatoin multi-role fighter..

www.globalsecurity.org...


It is widely reported that the FC-1 is a continuation of the "MiG-33 [R33]" program developed in the 1980s. The Russian company Mikoyan OKB Design Bureau, which designs all MIG series of aircraft, sold the design of MIG-33 to the China and Pakistan. This report is the source of considerable confusion, and indeed some rather fanciful speculation. The so-called MiG-33 design used in conjunction with the FC-1 program was apparently a the poorly attested "Product 33" lightweight single-engine project of the mid-1980s. A decade later, the MiG-33 nomenclature was briefly associated with the much larger twin-engine Mig-29M. This confused history has led to observations that the "FC-1 features air inlets on the lateral sides of the fuselage rather than the ventral inlets of the MiG-33. ... the most apparent modifications to the MiG-33 design is the repositioning of the ventral fins from the engine compartment..." These supposed modifications to the mid-90s MiG-33 design actually reflect the fact that the FC-1 is an entirely difference airplane with no design relationship to the MiG-33 [MiG-29M].


according to globalsercruity the JF-17 has no relation to the mig-33



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 08:58 AM
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what is the capability of JF-17 against other fighter jets and is it good choice to have the aircraft as a front line air defence.

and what counteries have all ready consider this aircraft as to buying it does it hold any potential in the world market, and surely the aircraft doesnt look bad at all







posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 02:00 PM
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That second photo is an F-111, not sure how it snuck in there.



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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could be i just did a google sreach on JF-17 and thats what came up
even if it is all other ones look quite impressive



posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Interseptor
and what counteries have all ready consider this aircraft as to buying it does it hold any potential in the world market, and surely the aircraft doesnt look bad at all

Mainly Pakistan. They're funding half of the project.
The fighter is a low cost third gen fighter aimed at export to third world countries and also as cheap supplement for more capable air forces. It's probably one of the best among the third generation fighters but it will most likely be outclassed by most fourth gens and definitely by fifth gens. Some third world countries might just want something a bit better than their third world neighbours so they might find this suitable (but I think they should worry more about their economy if they're third world
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posted on Jun, 23 2005 @ 06:10 PM
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To Taishyou



(but I think they should worry more about their economy if they're third world
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True I really agree with you on that and that point should be noted to every one


even though it is third gen it is quite impresive that it contains BVR (Beyond Visual Range) system and also that not alot of 4th gens have that system it gives the aircraft a slight edge over another air force.

wasnt Pakistan one of the contributer to its technology with Russia ?




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