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Originally posted by koji_K
OK, lets look at the facts now, shall we?
I can't believe I'm quoting the Rev. Moon's loony rag, but since it was cited, here we go:
After reading the e-mail, Mr. Durbin said, "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
Now, what exactly was wrong with this statement? He didn't say "America is as bad as the Nazis/Khmer Rouge/Soviets." He said what he said, which is that the atrocities described in the FBI agents email sounded more like somehting you'd naturally relate to history's less admirable regimes, not America.
there is now way you can compare this in any wayto Nazis and other regimes like them. he said they keept prisoners up for 24 hour hand cuffed on the floor.so what they do not gas the prisoners, force them to work in a laobor camp starve them, Dirbin and other liberals will be the first ones to complain if we let those prisoners out and the cuased another 9/11 style attack on the US or one of its Allies, they'll say why did you guys let them go. becuase your bitching about what we are doing to the terroist at gitmo, please they are having a better life now than they probably have ever had. I think we need to be a little ruffer on them teach them that we are not going to stand for their crap.
If the inhabitants of greater Dachau could ignore the smoke billowing from the chimneys of the invisible, unmentionable camp up on the hill, why shouldn't we expect most Americans to ignore what's going on in Guantanamo, or Bagram or Abu Ghraib -- or any of the other islands in the archipelago?
Conservatives, of course, froth at the use of such terms, which is why the propaganda machine immediately zeroed in on Durbin's reference to an extreme nationalist party that flourished in a certain central European country in the 1930s and early 1940s. Just as they popped a vein over Amnesty International's use of a Russian word for forced labor camp.
Strictly on the facts of the case, they are correct: The American archipelago is just a series of flyspecks compared to its Soviet predecessor. At its peak, the Soviet gulags held an estimated 2.5 million prisoners. The number of deaths -- by torture, execution, disease or deliberate starvation -- has to be counted in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. The KGB, meanwhile, set a record for the assembly-line murder of political prisoners that I don't think has been matched since, not even by that wannabe Saddam.
As for the central European extremist leader, well, we all know what he did.
I guess that's enough to satisify most conservatives. (Maybe they should print up some bumper stickers: "America: Still better than Stalin.") But some of us have slightly higher expectations of a modern parliamentary democracy.
The quote former Vietnam POW Pete Peterson that Durban included in his floor speech said just about everything that needs to be said about the latter:
"From my 6 1/2 years of captivity in Vietnam, I know what life in a foreign prison is like. To a large degree, I credit the Geneva Conventions for my survival . . . This is one reason the United States has led the world in upholding treaties governing the status and care of enemy prisoners: because these standards also protect us . . . We need absolute clarity that America will continue to set the gold standard in the treatment of prisoners in wartime."
Originally posted by finnman68
Durbin is starting to fall, alot of US congressmen and woman calling for him to say he is sorry and retract his remarkes. stating that his remarks are now being used as propaganda on Aljazeers
[edit on 17-6-2005 by finnman68]