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NEWS: Teen Sent To Gay "Treatment" Camp Against His Will

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posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:32 AM
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What does my screen name have to do with this?

And I was pointing out, your aticle does not back your statement up it goes as far as to say Paul has no understanding of homosexuality so that it can't be used to justify the Catholic hate for it. Which still means we're looking for a statement by Jesus or record by one of the disciples where Jesus states homosexuality is wrong.

Even better is the other bits it points out:
prostitution
polygamy
levirate marriage
sex with slaves
concubinage
treatment of women as property
very early marriage (for the girl, age 11-13)

Are all fine by the Bible, fine by the same people who say homosexuality is wrong. It's good to know I can own a slave but can't have sex with people of the same sex as I.
So just one quick question do you think slavery is O.K. or do you pick parts of the bible you agree with when it best suits you?




posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:35 AM
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Edit by SportyMB:

Wrong post, sorry



[edit on 17/6/2005 by SportyMB]



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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This is the news forum, treat it with the repect it's due. NO MORE GARBAGE!



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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I was not using the site to back my arguement. Apparently I have to spell this out for some. I was simply showing another position regarding the topic at hand.

I agree with the ENTIRE Bible, thank you. But not your interpretation thereof. So hate me...

odium-state of disgrace resulting from detestable behavior



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by BadMojo
I was not using the site to back my arguement. Apparently I have to spell this out for some. I was simply showing another position regarding the topic at hand.

I agree with the ENTIRE Bible, thank you. But not your interpretation thereof. So hate me...

odium-state of disgrace resulting from detestable behavior


A) You've just admitted you're fine with Slavery, Genocide, Murder if the woman is not a virgin, list goes on.

B) Odium has several meanings, you can pick one to attempt to insult me? Good for you, I don't use it for that meaning so better luck next time.


joi

posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 12:14 PM
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Ive had friends placed in the these "Camps" years ago.
I am stunned that they still exist. They still have nightmares about being in them in their adult years.
Im even more disgusted by the righteous attitude and ignorance of some of the
members posting on here regarding this.
To these members I ask you this:

if a gay couple had a child who was heterosexual would it be ok to send the child to camp to make him homosexual?



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 12:15 PM
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Have you guys seen Sordid Lives?

It's hilarious, and if you can find a copy - please have yourself a gut-laugh.

www.sordidlives.com...

www.sordidlives.com...

This story reminds me of that movie because Brother-Boy is in an institution - and has been for 20 something years - where they are trying to "dehomosexualize" him...lol. It apparently doesn't work because he continues to dress like Tammy Wynette and put on lip-syncing shows for the other patients.

Okaaaaaaaay.

[edit on 6-17-2005 by Valhall]



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB
iceofspades, How did you come across this story? Just curious


Yeah, as the other guy there said, it was floating around the blogosphere for some time. I decided to make a group devoted to the cause with links and emails to influential entities around the nation on MySpace, partially because MySpace has a lot of people; a lot of people to make aware. So it's the beginning of Day Three of the group and we have nearly 900 members, hopefully most of them active and sending letters.

In fact, just yesterday (I believe) our cause managed to get a TV news story in Tennessee, and that should spread through the media.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by DeusEx

Originally posted by Zipdot
What the hell ever happened to "not givin' a damn"?
...

I was reading about an atheist's views one day. He was answering a Christian question along the lines of, "don't Atheists lack morals and celebrate nothing?"

He said in answer, something like, "well, Atheists are generally not evangelistic. Celebrating the non-religious holiday would be like celebrating a 'Today's Not My Birthday.'"


To put this bluntly, WTF mate? What does what I said have to do with what you're going on about? Your rantings seem disjointed today. I remember having a few good discussions with you, but this is a little abstracted for my tastes.

I merely suggested that people should try things like NOT persecuting people based on things they can't change. Is this too far a leap?

DE


I wrote that after a night at the pub, and reading it back, I think that shows, but the message that I wanted to convey was, "Why bother concerning yourself with the private affairs of somebody else?" I don't understand the debate in this thread. People are pulling out their bibles and orating about sin and whatnot, but glancing at the web page,



Refuge is designed to minister to adolescents struggling with broken and addictive behaviors such as…
-Pornography
-Drugs and alcohol
-Sexual Promescuity
-Homosexuality


It categorizes homosexuality as a "broken and addictive behavior" that adolescents "struggle" with. The parents are defining homosexuality as a problem that can be fixed, and I ask, what is the purpose of taking action to affect someone's life as such? Homosexuality is victimless until something like this happens, and a victim is created from the adolescent.

Zip



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 01:48 PM
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Garden of Eden- Female Sex Symbolism
Tree of life PLANTED IN THE MIDDLE-
Male Sex symbolism

The Forbidden Fruit- I will let you guess.

So now you know how it was that Adam and Eve 'sinned' at the same time, and how it came to be that Eve had to OFFER the Fruit to Adam.

Maybe the kid will meet a nice Priest while he is there, and he won't even have to discontinue his homosexuality, he can continue to practice it in the way accepted of priests.

Hmm, a Gay guy who hangs around with chicks all day. No.. We can't call him mal-adjusted, and say he WANTS to hang around with chicks all day.

We all know Gay guys don't LIKE to hang out with girls, they just do. Right... No psychological issues there, no inability to function in regular society, and hang out with other men. He just 'prefers' to act sissy all day and giggle.

No, don't offer to help, what, are you a fundamentalist?
The point is, the kid should not be sent forcefully anywhere, but he shouldn't be talking about what he knows nothing about (why he's gay, why he doesn't like his Mom, even though he does).

Gay = Issues. I am sure you can be a balanced individual, but not if you care mainly about looks, and fashion, hang out with girls to feel accepted, and wanted....

Frankly, I would have just grounded the kid and made sure he never EVER tries to bring a guy into his Father's house, and tell him he doesn't even know, and tell him straight up:
There are no nice guys in the world.

There are atleast a few nice girls.

Let him think about that.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
Garden of Eden- Female Sex Symbolism
Tree of life PLANTED IN THE MIDDLE-
Male Sex symbolism

The Forbidden Fruit- I will let you guess.

So now you know how it was that Adam and Eve 'sinned' at the same time, and how it came to be that Eve had to OFFER the Fruit to Adam.

Maybe the kid will meet a nice Priest while he is there, and he won't even have to discontinue his homosexuality, he can continue to practice it in the way accepted of priests.

Hmm, a Gay guy who hangs around with chicks all day. No.. We can't call him mal-adjusted, and say he WANTS to hang around with chicks all day.

We all know Gay guys don't LIKE to hang out with girls, they just do. Right... No psychological issues there, no inability to function in regular society, and hang out with other men. He just 'prefers' to act sissy all day and giggle.

No, don't offer to help, what, are you a fundamentalist?
The point is, the kid should not be sent forcefully anywhere, but he shouldn't be talking about what he knows nothing about (why he's gay, why he doesn't like his Mom, even though he does).

Gay = Issues. I am sure you can be a balanced individual, but not if you care mainly about looks, and fashion, hang out with girls to feel accepted, and wanted....

Frankly, I would have just grounded the kid and made sure he never EVER tries to bring a guy into his Father's house, and tell him he doesn't even know, and tell him straight up:
There are no nice guys in the world.

There are atleast a few nice girls.

Let him think about that.


Im sorry, I didn't realize that such a vast majority of gay people were not balanced because they care mainly about looks and fashion and hanging out with girls to feel accepted. Wow, with such reasoning, lets just go ahead and say all women are not balanced. Since they care mainly about looks and fashion and hanging out with girls to feel accepted.
...
Oh wait.. can't say that, that is just a stereotype, and is really not true of women. So why is true of gay men? Simply it isn't, you are just playing on a stereotype as a reason to say gay men are imbalanced and have "issues" as you so eloquently put it.

Please think about that. Stereotypes are just that, stereotypes, and have no place as a reason for anything.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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OK, most of the openly gay guys I have known, and seen. Ever.

Not the closeted ones (balanced, like Tom Cruise, fake girlfriend and everything), or the ones who hide it well like my example of sexually abusive Priests.

And I have yet to understand why guys should put up with someone who is going to giggle in a serious conversation. Unaccepting? My ass. Mal-adusted is the word, and you can pretend that what I said was a stereotype, whats important to recognize is A PATTERN.

"They all sense it, why can't you."



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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After the astonishing high-octane ignorance in that post, having the nerve to call anyone else "unbalanced" is pretty comical.

The gay guys who go to crazy lengths to hide it, IME, tend to be the unbalanced ones.

[edit on 6/17/05 by xmotex]



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Zipdot
It categorizes homosexuality as a "broken and addictive behavior" that adolescents "struggle" with. The parents are defining homosexuality as a problem that can be fixed, and I ask, what is the purpose of taking action to affect someone's life as such? Homosexuality is victimless until something like this happens, and a victim is created from the adolescent.


Oh, okay. I get you now, and I agree. Homosexuality isn't a problem until somebody makes it a problem.

The fact that places like this exist to 'cure' people of 'problems' still astounds and saddens me. Makes me wish someone would go and free these people, y'know?

DE



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
OK, most of the openly gay guys I have known, and seen. Ever.

Not the closeted ones (balanced, like Tom Cruise, fake girlfriend and everything), or the ones who hide it well like my example of sexually abusive Priests.

And I have yet to understand why guys should put up with someone who is going to giggle in a serious conversation. Unaccepting? My ass. Mal-adusted is the word, and you can pretend that what I said was a stereotype, whats important to recognize is A PATTERN.

"They all sense it, why can't you."


You must live in a very strange place if every single gay man you have ever known fits the "pattern" so well. That or you don't get out much.
Giggling in a serious conversation? You show your hand right there, you seem to really believe that gay men are nothing more than men who do whatever they can to look feminine, which is a disturbingly dense way of thinking.
But we are getting off topic now aren't we?



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 02:50 PM
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Suddenly the episode of South Park, with the boys going to tolerance camp, is coming to mind....

"You must make ze macaroni pictures!"

"Velcome to tolerance camp..."



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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Speaking as one of the girls that had a gay guy friend......when we hung out, he didn't giggle and act silly.....he was wonderfully easy to talk to, and had many of the same interests that I did. ( and I mean besides men!)

I also had a cousin who was gay. He never told any of his family, they were the kind who would have disowned him or sent him to one of those 're-education' places. ( Some of us, younger, less judgemental cousins, guessed the truth, but never told the older ones.)

He was one of the best, most kind hearted people you could ever know. He lit up the room when he came in.....told the most entertaining stories.....everyone loved him! (Even the older family members who denied he was 'different' .) They all doted on him. How sad that they would have thrown all of that away had he been open with his 'secret'.

He moved away.....I think he had a happy life there, where he could be himself. I missed him, they missed him....they never realized they were the reason he had exiled himself. Now he's gone.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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The worst part about this thread is that it shouldn't be a debate on homosexuality. There should be a debate on whether or not sending your child to one of these "camps" is harmful or not. I think it is a sad state to see that this kid is forced into a situation against his will. With all of the problems we have with our youth today, this kid actually had the guts to face his parents with what was bothering him. He should be praised for doing just that. And ANY person on this board who thinks that a kid should have to hide from their own parents (especially with a topic like this) must have had a pretty sad childhood themselves.

The sad part is that the parents were unable to accept their child as he was. THAT is a sin.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:02 PM
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I am getting the distinct impression that the sound we're hearing is the rattling of everyone's chain which you are pulling


Homosexuality has become a "sacred cow" in Amercia. You must not disagree with the idea, and must take it seriously and treat it with reverence. Do not joke about it, or treat it as anything less than holy. Even ignoring it is disrespectful, which is why it needs to be brought out and talked about and celebrated. Imagine the ridicule if you made a big deal about coming out "straight"...or a "het pride" parade?

Are people now so unsatisfied with themselves that they must find identity and pride not in their self, not their own accomplishments, but have to brag about their orientation, their cultural background, or their political/religious belief system in order to have something to be proud of?

Especially when you *know* it will upset people who love you. My grandmother is a liberal Democrat-am I gonna make a big noise about being independent and consevative when around her? nope. My folks are rabidly anti-gun-am I gonna promote the NRA when visitng their house? Never.

Sometimes, people gotta learn that life isn't "all about me" and "my rights" as it is about compromises and getting along. You can have the beliefs and lifestyle you want, but if you know it offends people, don't be surprised when you get clobbered. If some teenager spouts neo-nazi crap,, he shouldn't be surprised when they get thrown out by their half-Jewish parents.



Originally posted by BadMojo
That's why I posted it there...gee whiz. It destroys nothing. What? Do you find it discomforting that someone is willing to post an opposing arguement. If you read it, you would notice references to both sides of the arguement with the author's own personal beliefs. Try to understand instead of living up to your namesake, odium.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by BadMojo
God doesn't "make" gays. God created everything in 6 days and rested. This includes those who prefer to act contrary to nature. My difference in view does not constitute "ignorance".


I have a couple questions regarding this. If "God" created everything in 6 days etc, And in his image.
1) Was God male or female? We are in His(HER?) image, which image?

2) Was God Black? Asian? Indian? Native American? European? Since he didn't create other diversities such as gay, then I guess he couldn't create different skin tones either.

Additionally, wasn't it stated by Jesus that "Judge not least ye be judged in his stead and found wanting in the eyes of the Lord."

[edit on 17-6-2005 by Ariande Tau]




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