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reply posted on 16-6-2005 @ 07:07 PM by SimonColynAdrian
This post is for BadMojo. While I understand and respect your particular beliefs, I must disagree with your method for arguing your point. God, in fact, does create homosexuality. It appears in other species besides humans. Read here:
news.nationalgeographic.com...

As a practicing Christian (I'm assuming based on your references to reading the Bible) you should know that God is perfect. We will accept this as fact for the purpose of this debate. As a practicing Christian, you should also know that ALL of the texts of the Bible were written by men. Men are not perfect, becuase they are not God. We will also accept this as fact for the purpose of this debate. My question to you is HOW can you accept, blindly and without reason, the Bible as 100% fact and the word of perfect God, when it was in fact, written 100% by imperfect men?

Your entire focus on the wrongness of homosexuality is based entirely on an imperfect literary work. Because the authenticity of the Bible is a matter of BELIEF and not FACT, it is not an acceptable resource for a scientific argument. Based on your previous statements, I will assume that you also disagree with Evolution theory and Relativity theory, as being fundamentally against the teachings of the Bible. Therefore, sir, your arguments are irrelevant and unwelcome in a standardized debate format.

It is exactly these kind of statements that ruin the advancement of knowledge. The same Bible that advises against Homosexuality, the same Bible that describes the world was created in 7 days, also advises that you should never eat pork. When was the last time you had bacon with breakfast? IF we accept the book of Genesis as fact, Eve ate the apple of the tree of knowledge. Therefore, while the penalty may have been expulsion from paradise, knowledge (and the pursuit of it) are what we are left with. Therefore, a debate of this sort, while you may disagree with homosexuality, does not have room for your anti-homosexuality rhetoric as the Bible cannot be counted as irrefutable proof other than in your own belief. Therefore, please take your closed minded hate mongering elsewhere, otherwise provide some substantial, factual, scientific evidence that supports your belief.


reply posted on 16-6-2005 @ 07:41 PM by xmotex

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for their perversion


Funny, if you actually read the bible, instead of the rantings of fanatics, it seems pretty clear that they were destroyed for their inhospitality and hostility to strangers, not for sexual vices.


19:1
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
19:2
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
19:3
And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
19:5
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
19:6
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
19:7
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
19:8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
19:9
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
19:10
But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
19:11
And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
19:12
And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
19:13
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.


Lot is spared because he is the only one in the city that had the decency to offer kindness and hospitality to the strangers (who turn out to be angels), not because he was the only heterosexual in town.

And it's true, Leviticus says that "if a man lies with a man it is an abomination". It also says the same thing about eating shellfish.

Hope you haven't had any oysters lately...

Why do so few "fundamentalists" ever seem to, you know, actually read the freaking bible?!?!???!

[edit on 6/16/05 by xmotex]


reply posted on 17-6-2005 @ 02:41 AM by Zipdot
Originally posted by DeusEx
Intrepid, I give as mad props as your mod status allows for fighting the good fight.

This just makes my stomach turn. Up here, in Canadia, we have this concept, it's a combination of the deeply abstracted 'compassion' and 'empathy', which people seem to be lacking as a whole nowadays.

We call it 'tolerance'.

Try it sometime.

*shakes head* What next? A camp because your kid's skin is black? Or they're too short?

DE


What the hell ever happened to "not givin' a damn"?

Women. Love 'em.

Homophobe? I dunno, sure. I guess. Whatever. I'm scared of getting raped if I go to prison! Whatever that is... If I call it "abject," am I an undercover homophobe? Everyone knows homophobes are undercover homos. What's to be proud of, either way? Hetero = I LIKE SEX AND I'M NORMAL!!!!!! YAY@!! Homo = I LIKE SEX AND I'M NOT A NORMAL, USUAL, DAILY PERSON!!@!!!@!!.

Well, I've got news for the homos.

Neither are hetero people. As REGULAR and NORMAL as you would imagine us, we ARE regular people -- screwed up. We're just screwed up and our genitals perk up at opposites.

I'm in a very Southern locale, and gay persecution doesn't exist as MTV's Real World would have you believe. Gays are largely ignored. Big deal? Well, I was reading about an atheist's views one day. He was answering a Christian question along the lines of, "don't Atheists lack morals and celebrate nothing?"

He said in answer, something like, "well, Atheists are generally not evangelistic. Celebrating the non-religious holiday would be like celebrating a 'Today's Not My Birthday.'"

Hopefully, this will bring enlightenment to Only One Person.

Zip

[edit on 6/17/2005 by Zipdot]


reply posted on 17-6-2005 @ 03:12 AM by slank
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God doesn't create gay people,
But scientists can create gay fruit flies.
www.livescience.com...

Obviously Geneticists have more skills than God. Maybe that is because they exist and he doesn't.

The old testament promotes slavery and killing your bride if she isn't a virgin.
These religions were created in barbarous times and are only suited for barbarians.

Conan the fundamentalist. Hmmm that makes a lot of sense. All these people seem to think is acceptable is for boys to become football players, soldiers, and [but its sort of gay] preachers.
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