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NEWS: Teen Sent To Gay "Treatment" Camp Against His Will

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posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 08:28 AM
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Jakko, he had a girlfriend. He was physically attracted to her. They had intercourse. It was a relationship. As for any trauma, none that he had told me about. He became "disinterested", for lack of a better word.

For now, we disagree on the issue of animal and human brains. (stepping across thread boundary...again) Maybe now that (mad) scientists are injecting human brain DNA into rats they will use that for an arguement. Note: less than 10% human DNA still constitutes nonhuman brain by their terms. Before you know it, the gay sheep and rats and fish and apes will marching along side the rest of them in San Fran...
As I stated before, I think "scientific" health facts are becoming less credible by the day. There is too much tampering with nature...




posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 09:29 AM
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Regarding the sheep tests, the scientists were very clear about it.
Natural, normal sheep were used for those tests and none were tempered with.
If I understand correctly your opinion is that even though it works like this with sheep, it's different for humans?



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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Basically, yes. Even if their brains are "similar", are they trying to tell us that sheep have similar "thought patterns"? Which I would consider to be even MORE suspect.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 11:09 AM
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You can't talk to donkeys.
They will not be able to understand you.

You can't talk to a fundamentalist barbarian.
They simply don't have the intellect.

[edit on 20-6-2005 by slank]



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 11:18 AM
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too bad there isn't a camp to cure people from religion......I wonder when the boy turns 18, can he leave the treatment program ?


its a trite cliche, but I've always felt two consentual adults practicing safe sex should be left alone to be happy. Aren't there other things to worry about ?



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 11:38 AM
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I fail to see where you post has any point being in this thread, slank, other than being derrogatory. It really shows a lack of civility.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 11:46 AM
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...... and decorum. Let's have some respect for this forum, slank.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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BADMOJO:

I may be wrong, and I haven't read the entire thread only bits and peices, but really doesn't Skanks post tell how he feels? Essentially that anyone that would presume to make a decision for another person, especially something of a persoanl nature like sexuality, is acting just like the inquisition isn't it?

You will do what is normal, and we say what is normal, and if you resist we will put you into "treatment" until you are broken, beaten and phsycologically tramatized in order to conform to someone elses ideal's?

Sounds pretty barbaric to me. Can you imagine someone wisking you away and being force to look at gay porn, dress in pastel colours, maybe a couple of shots to the jaw and you could speak with a lisp too. Would you find that to be an offense to a person?

So why is it hard for you to see that when it works in reverse it is just as wrong?

Just a question, I mean no offense to it, just never understood that part of the anti-gay lobby.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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Yes, passerby, with the exception of his last sentence. Name-calling is for kiddies. I am not offended, it just detracts from the thread...highly frowned upon here.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by BadMojo
Yes, passerby, with the exception of his last sentence. Name-calling is for kiddies. I am not offended, it just detracts from the thread...highly frowned upon here.


Agreed, name calling has no place in a discussion. It hurts the opponent and it hurts the credibility on who says it.

Now, about the gay child being shipped away? How is this allowed in a so called free society? Could I get your views on the seeming paradox on your viewpoint?

Thanks bro.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by BadMojo
masterp, as well as the others so vehemently disagreeing with me, I haven't once pronounced judgement on homosexuals. What sentence have I deemed for them? What punishment have I directed?

As for your suicide comment...my best friend committed suicide. I also helped someone out of that dark, downward spiral. I had two good friends that are gay. They know where I stand on the issue. I understand that I alone could not change their ways, so I didn't attempt to. By merely stating my view was the sewing of the seed. If they chhose to pursue their lifestyle, it is their decision and they will some day have to answer for it.

Also, masterp, if you would read previous posts by me in this thread you would find my answers to "gays being made" and "why parents aren't blamed". But if that is too much I will state it again...just for you.

Gays weren't "made", as you put it. Homosexuality is a choice.
The parents are wrong for sending their child to that camp, in my opinion. The parents should have found counselling themselves to help them determine how best to cope with the choice that their son has made. Just because a parent does not want to deal with a situation, doesn't mean that they should send their child to have someone else handle the situation for them. Maybe the attention and guidance of his parents is all this person needs...


If you have questions or comments, I am more than willing to answer them...
Just ask odium...


[edit on 20-6-2005 by BadMojo]



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 12:51 PM
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BadMojo;
Do you agree that people can be born wrong and/or different?



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 01:00 PM
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this might have beens posted already but I have no patience to read thru 13 pages of arguing right or wrong on homosexuality.

What these parents are doing to this boy is pathetic. It will do nothing to change the way he is. It will, however, destroy the relationship he has with them. The religous nutjobs are rather comical if you think about it.

Set up a "camp" to try and convince a gay boy that he isn't gay. Send him away to a bording school type environment, surround him with other gay boys and expect him to convert to heterosexuality. That's like sending a crack addict to a coc aine refinery and ask him to stop using drugs. If the boy stays gay, do they then send him to the monastery and make him a priest?



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by BadMojo

Originally posted by BadMojo
masterp, as well as the others so vehemently disagreeing with me, I haven't once pronounced judgement on homosexuals. What sentence have I deemed for them? What punishment have I directed?

As for your suicide comment...my best friend committed suicide. I also helped someone out of that dark, downward spiral. I had two good friends that are gay. They know where I stand on the issue. I understand that I alone could not change their ways, so I didn't attempt to. By merely stating my view was the sewing of the seed. If they chhose to pursue their lifestyle, it is their decision and they will some day have to answer for it.

Also, masterp, if you would read previous posts by me in this thread you would find my answers to "gays being made" and "why parents aren't blamed". But if that is too much I will state it again...just for you.

Gays weren't "made", as you put it. Homosexuality is a choice.
The parents are wrong for sending their child to that camp, in my opinion. The parents should have found counselling themselves to help them determine how best to cope with the choice that their son has made. Just because a parent does not want to deal with a situation, doesn't mean that they should send their child to have someone else handle the situation for them. Maybe the attention and guidance of his parents is all this person needs...


If you have questions or comments, I am more than willing to answer them...
Just ask odium...


[edit on 20-6-2005 by BadMojo]


BADMOJO,

I owe you an apologee my friend. That was a very well thought out arguement and doesn't bash others for not agreeing with you. Well done sir.

We can always agree to disagree on whether it is a chioce or not, I have no idea, although I can't see anyone willingly making that chioce


I can't see the argument solving itself at this stage. If it is found that Gayness is a genetic thing, how many parents will have their fetus checked for that along with all the other stuff they check for now? Would that stop the argument or most abortion-like bombings and wars of preceived ethics and morals?

Quite a slippery slope from where I am sitting.

Cheers BM, BIG UP!



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 01:42 PM
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wow, imagine the religous zealot's conundrum when they are forced to decide if abortion is right or wrong, in the event that the unborn child is gay.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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Since they'll never accept that homosexuality has a biological component even if it's proven beyond a doubt, I don't think it will become an issue.

Look at it this way: they can't admit that, it threatens their whole world view. So they will simply ignore anything that points to that. Theologically, they have to believe it's a conscious choice, anything else would be admitting that God programs people before birth for behavior God condemns, an unacceptable paradox.

The truth? The truth doesn't matter one little bit.
They have to believe in a fantasy world of black and white morality, of simple answers, because they can't cope with the ambiguities of the real world. It's scary having to decide what's right and wrong for yourself, it's much easier to pretend that someone has already written down all the answers.


[edit on 6/20/05 by xmotex]



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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xmotex, I don't think I've heard this issue put any better, kudos. It makes sense now.




posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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Well, xmotex, IF that were true, then you might be correct. But I fear that, at this point, your fantasy of being able state that homosexuality is a "biological preprogram" is merely that. Good luck, but I wouldn't advise holding your breath.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 05:52 PM
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Do you have a rebuttal to the pheremone link BadMojo? The brains of most, if not all, homosexuals, are different. They are physically attracted to the pheremones in the sweat/urine of the same sex.

That wasn't their choice. They were born that way, their brain chemistry was decided for them.



posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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Well, xmotex, IF that were true, then you might be correct. But I fear that, at this point, your fantasy of being able state that homosexuality is a "biological preprogram" is merely that. Good luck, but I wouldn't advise holding your breath.


Wow Mojo, couldn't find an answer to this in the scriptures? Discount science? Keep the blinders on.

I see his point better than yours.

His made sense.

Don't bother to go scripture on me, I was raised JW.



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