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NEWS: Shengyou, China: Riot Suppression Turns to Massacre

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posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 02:51 PM
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In what is being called the worst massacre in China since the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989, six people were killed, and fifty were injured, in the suppression of a civilian riot in Shenyou, China (60 miles from Beijing). The cause: A power station buyout being resisted by those who still occupied the land. The article goes on to imply that this happens more often in China than is allowed to be reported.
 



www.sky.com
The trouble broke out after the hired hands, some wearing helmuts and khakis, moved in to clear land needed by a nearby power station. Villagers had built trenches and erected tents to protect their land.

The blurred footage shows hand-to-hand fighting between the assailants and the villagers. At least one person is seen being shot dead. Gunfire and explosions can be heard and seen on film. The three-minute footage ends when the state's enforcers realise they are being filmed and chase the cameraman.

Dominic Waghorn, Sky's Asia correspondent, said: "These are the pictures China does its best to stop the rest of the world from seeing.

(note: spacing edited to remove unneccesary line breaks, and "sic" added by spelling errors.)


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This story is a chilling reminder to the world that, while China puts on a very amiable face, the methods of dealing with civilian uprisings have not changed much since the days of the Ming Dynasty. The video should have been available from the Skynet story, but it appears to have already been removed, perhaps it was due to the broadband demands, or perhaps the Chinese Government shut it down. I have provided a Washington Post link that gives another avenue to the footage. Regardless, yet again human rights abuse is proven to still be prevalent overseas.

This reminds me of my favorite rebuke to those who tout the glories of communism and the evils of capitalism, while living comfortably in America. My reply is that they should then travel to China, and apply for citizenship, and live the life of someone with only the rights they are afforded at that particular moment, at the whim of the state. It is a reminder that, while articles such as the Patriot Act, and corruption are cause for alarm in America, it's still a far cry better than living in a place where you can be killed by the power companies, just for refusing to sell your home.

The video itself looks like something out of a Kubrik war film, and as the article suggests, the cold-blooded murder of a protestor is plainly visible. We can expect to see no apology, either to the world, or to the families of the farmers, as China is extremely reluctant to ever admit to mismanagement. The soldiers themselves appear to be hired thugs, rather than actual police, affording the government some plausible deniability, though their interaction with the Power Bosses is fairly well documented and the police themselves did not respond until roughly six hours after the incident.

The ties of local officials to organized crime groups is being heavily considered, as the men were armed with shotguns, and very well prepared. Local Dingzhou police had been harassing the camping protestors in the previous months, ever since the deal to sell the land took place in 2003. This story has yet to make the Human Rights Watch: Asia site yet. According to Shenzen Today, the body count was actually 10, and the injured numbered over 100.

I can offer little more in the way of commentary; the facts speak for themselves. As bad as America may seem, even to her own citizens, at least we do not face this sort of thing on a daily basis.


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[edit on 17-6-2005 by John bull 1]




posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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This reminds me of my favourite rebuke to those who tout the glories of communism and the evils of capitalism, while living comfortably in America. My reply is that they should then travel to China, and apply for citizenship, and live the life of someone with only the rights they are afforded at that particular moment, at the whim of the state.


I really don’t think that it’s the type of government that causes these rights abuse. This could happen in a democratic/capitalist state just as easily as it could in a communist state. It makes no difference; it’s the people who are in power who commit these evils.

Does this mean, that in theory, that all things being equal, and power not leading to corruption, that there couldn’t be a communist state without human rights abuse? I think not!

Nevertheless, good post. The world does need to be brought to attention of such abuses.

No doubt BushCo. will jump straight on this train.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Dominic Waghorn, Sky's Asia correspondent, said: "These are the pictures China does its best to stop the rest of the world from seeing.


I can see that the chinese government is hard at work here. and they are pretty good at it too lol.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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I'm the last person to defend the actions of the CCP, but this article is extremely biased and anti-China.


The three-minute footage ends when the state's enforcers realize they are being filmed and chase the cameraman.


There is a blatant assumption and inference made that the thugs were in the employ of the national government. There is no evidence present to prove that. When the national government enforces it's will on the people in China, it sends in the PLA, and is not shy about it either.

Yes, these sorts of uprisings are more common in rural China than we think, and more common than even many of the locals in cities know, but thugs like these are usually hired by private companies or by local party officials. The national government does not support this type of violent means of resolving civil issues, and in fact it is a serious problem that they have difficulty controlling. Where the CCP's guilt lies is in their covering up these sort of incidents, since they fear that people will lose confidence in the party's ability to maintain order and ensure citizens' safety.

Extrapolating incidents like this into a political ideology argument in favor of capitalism (or "Americaaaa, **** yeah!!") is a bit of a stretch. Violent incidents and social unrest are by no means confined to countries that have a socialist or communist form of government, nor is despotism. And China has experienced civil unrest and violence since the year dot, and under various forms of government, be it emperors, the kings of the warring states period, the fascist-capitalist KMT regime, and now the CCP. This is a cultural manifestation, not a political one. These days the scheming, greedy Mandarins are replaced by scheming local party officials.

Edit to add: If you change the quoted article to the Washington Post one you provided in the supporting links, I'll vote yes.

[edit on 2005/6/16 by wecomeinpeace]



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 03:42 PM
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2 things...

first... I tried to download the video, and it has been removed...CENSORSHIP even in the non asian countries...
looks like everyone is trying to help china cover this up...

nope didn't happen... whatchu talkin bout willis?

secondly... the actual action really doesn't look that bad... it isn't like they are running people over with tanks or anything... (keep in mind, didn't see video, just pics)

looks kinda like the kent state riots...
or even the republican national convention...
Opps... did I say that?



[edit on 16-6-2005 by LazarusTheLong]



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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Question: Why is that China always make the effort to suppress any news or video-taping of a rioting, provincial insurrection, or an actual uprising by the people in China from being broadcasted to the world?

Aside from that anti-Japanese rioting in China being broadcasted to the world couple months ago, in which it was actually benefitting the CCP's stance against Japan, China doesn't wanted any internal rioting or uprising to be broadcasted to the world for fear that it would undermine the Chinese communist leadership in China.

In a democratic society, we have seen many rioting being broadcasted to the world without governmental suppression.

In China, it's a whole different story and only the CCP must have a 100% stamp of approval of what it can show and what it cannot show before the world.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
......
looks kinda like the kent state riots...
or even the republican national convention...
Opps... did I say that?


The Kent state riots happened over 35 years ago, yes things were pretty bad back then. There was still a lot of racism rampant, and there were activists that were also killing police officers and making terrorist attacks, etc, etc. I do not condone, either what many of the police officers, and the government did back then, and how many of the activists decided to respond either.

A lot of good people did suffer and were even killed. Hell the KKK is still alive today that I know of, those sobs would love to go back 35+ years ago to be able to do those things that were done back in those days by them.

BTW....were people killed by the police at the last Republican national convention?.... not that i know of....

[edit on 16-6-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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Does this surprise me, once dictatorship always dictatorship, it seems for the leadership can do it when they have over billion taxpayers, 100 more or less who counts.
Diplomatic relations and trade agreement with the devil??
That thing really surprises me, I know for other countries being under sanctions for less then that, well I will raise my voice it is plain disgusting shame on you chinese government, I hope you will be joining dead rioters soon when balance of the force turns the other way. Silence is the worst answer on this kind of atrocities.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
2 things...

first... I tried to download the video, and it has been removed...CENSORSHIP even in the non asian countries...
looks like everyone is trying to help china cover this up...


I thought the same thing at first until I stopped trying to view the video via Firefox and tried IE instead. Apparently, only UK and ROI netizens can view this video. Any chance a neighbor across the Atlantic could capture this video and share?



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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Here is a link to a story from June 13 in which villagers in the Huaxi region actually won a fight agains the communist government. But don't be fooled into thinking they actually won something because in the end they could end up losing much more.


No arrests have been made yet, Chen said. But police -- plainclothes as well as uniformed -- have established a heavy presence in Huaxi and local residents have been enlisted in the hunt for those responsible for the peasant rebellion on April 10. The Dongyang administration has made it clear that somebody has to pay.

A "system of punishment and prevention" has been put into place to create a "harmonious society" in Huaxi, a Dongyang city hall statement said. "Our next step is to investigate some party members who were believed to be leaders of the riot," it added.




news.yahoo.com...


[edit on 16-6-2005 by BlackJackal]



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 06:20 PM
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For those who can't view the video from Sky News, the Washington Post link given still works for those of us on this side of the pond. Or it does for me, at least.

And so you don't have to scroll up again:

www.washingtonpost.com



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 08:14 PM
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The Beeb is also showing the video:

BBC...China riots



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 06:19 AM
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While I can see how this article could be construed as anti-Chinese, rest assured it is not. I have no more problems with the Chinese than any other people on Earth. I am a fan of many aspects of their culture, history, technological achievements, resourcefulness, movies, and music. And though it may sound cliche, many of my friends are of Chinese descent.

However, the actions of their government are inexcusable at times. The facts are that they do frequently engage in human rights violations, throughout their history. They have slaughtered their own citizens and those under their control (such as Tibet) for reasons varying from political to convenience. There is a long history of governing officials feasting like gluttons and hoarding the resources while the vast majority of the populace starved (even before Communism). And the fact remains that you can, without warning or legal recourse, be arrested, found guilty, and punished, despite being proven innocent, because it is a government that refuses to admit mistakes.

And yes, while this sort of thing does happen in all countries, at some point or another, it is something to be expected of a Third World dictatorship, not one of the largest First World Powers on the planet. And when it happens with such regularity, and suppression of the media, it is enough to send chills down my spine. Thus, I make no apologies for my article. I only wish to clarify that I have nothing against the Chinese. Their government, however, makes me absolutely sick sometimes.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 07:16 AM
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I'm not talking about what you wrote, thelibra. I'm talking about the sky.com article. Did you write it? No. It makes gross assumptions without anything to back it up, and it is written from an obviously slim understanding of how things work over here. The CCP are no angels, and if you read some of my posts concerning that particular government, you will see that I am the last to support them. But fair is fair, news reporting is supposed to be disinterested, and the article is biased and unprofessional in its publishing of unproven assumptions and accusations regarding this single incident. It reads like a two-bit high school attack piece.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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I do not see anyone in PLA Uniforms getting involved and harming people. How can they claim that it is the PLA doing it? Since the Government has no problem using the PLA they would do it - have before, probably will again. But this shows no fact and they just assume.

If we go by that trend every riot involving in injury is the Governments fault and not the people rioting. :|



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
I do not see anyone in PLA Uniforms getting involved and harming people. How can they claim that it is the PLA doing it? Since the Government has no problem using the PLA they would do it - have before, probably will again. But this shows no fact and they just assume.


A good question, Odium, but one that is answered by the supporting links. In a nutshell, there were ties found linking crime lords, power bosses, and local government officials. The police had been harassing the people for months, and they had testimony from one of the captured thugs that he and others were paid $12 by them to beat up the villagers.

As to why they didn't just choose to use the Army, my guess is "Plausible Deniability". If they aren't in official police or army uniforms, the government isn't BLATANTLY responsible to the world.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by thelibra
A good question, Odium, but one that is answered by the supporting links. In a nutshell, there were ties found linking crime lords, power bosses, and local government officials. The police had been harassing the people for months, and they had testimony from one of the captured thugs that he and others were paid $12 by them to beat up the villagers.


But does this not happen world over? I see it in modern Western Society just as much as in Asia...which is kind of my point. This article to me just looks like a shot at China and the Communist Party with very little facts to back it up. Also by quoting this person it shows that they don't live in such a state of fear in China as we like to make out.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
But does this not happen world over? I see it in modern Western Society just as much as in Asia...


Sorry man, I have to call BS on this till I see some proof. Show me where, in recent history (like the last 25 years), one rally where we have shot several protestors in the head at point blank range, and hospitalized dozens more.


Originally posted by Odium
which is kind of my point. This article to me just looks like a shot at China and the Communist Party with very little facts to back it up. Also by quoting this person it shows that they don't live in such a state of fear in China as we like to make out.


It is a bloody shot because those people were killed in cold blood. It doesn't matter if it happens elsewhere, it's still wrong. What, just because it happens in Botswana, or Zaire, or some other god-forsaken place, it's okay for China to do this?

The reason the article is a shot at China is because China should know better! It's supposed to be a civilized 1st world superpower, and act like it, not act like it's some oppressed third-world nation where a dictator holds only marginally more power than the tribes and gangs that murder each other.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
But does this not happen world over? I see it in modern Western Society just as much as in Asia...

Originally posted by thelibra
Sorry man, I have to call BS on this till I see some proof. Show me where, in recent history (like the last 25 years), one rally where we have shot several protestors in the head at point blank range, and hospitalized dozens more.


May Day Riots: 2004 and 2003 (1st of May) the Police attacked protestors and then blamed them for starting the violence. (Was there) This has happened in both Germany and Britain. In 2000 about 10 German people were so seriously injured due to Police violence they were in a critical condiction. There is also an Atari Teenage Riot music video which shows how German Police treat protesters. I'll try and get you links to videos of those, but these date back to 1999/2000ish.


Originally posted by Odium
which is kind of my point. This article to me just looks like a shot at China and the Communist Party with very little facts to back it up. Also by quoting this person it shows that they don't live in such a state of fear in China as we like to make out.

Originally posted by thelibra
It is a bloody shot because those people were killed in cold blood. It doesn't matter if it happens elsewhere, it's still wrong. What, just because it happens in Botswana, or Zaire, or some other god-forsaken place, it's okay for China to do this?

The reason the article is a shot at China is because China should know better! It's supposed to be a civilized 1st world superpower, and act like it, not act like it's some oppressed third-world nation where a dictator holds only marginally more power than the tribes and gangs that murder each other.


Problem is China has what 1/5th the population of the world? It's going to have corrupt aspects of it and the gangs will be a lot larger as will there be more corrupt politicians as there are more of them. But still I've yet to see one bit of this link back to the National Government, only a small region and still the National Government are getting the blame for it.



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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First, thanks for the good story libra.

That said, I wonder if anyone else takes issue with our culture of superlatives. Instead of just calling this a riot where a few (6) people were killed, we call it


worst massacre in China since the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989
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I am not sure that 6 people qualifies as a massacre. A terrible loss of life to be sure, but a massacre? Zimbabwe is experiencing massacres now, Rwanda experienced massacres...this is not a massacre. This is ugly for sure, but not a massacre.

Also, the article itself didn't actually say that it was the worst massacre. instead, it said it was the


worst footage of violence to emerge from the secretive country since the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989.


Big difference there if you ask me. Careful with that thelibra.

Honestly though, why can't we be content to say this is a terrible thing and let's not let it happen again? Why do we have to create a circus-like superlative atmosphere for everything. It's always, "the worst since...," or, "the biggest since..." Who cares? It is usually not relevant to the situation and it really serves to diminish the event. As in, "this riot/massacre wasn't nearly as bad as the last time."

I say we get over the superlatives, stop going for the shock value in EVERYTHING, and try to keep a little bit of perspective on things when we read about this stuff.




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