POLITICS: Shinnecock Indians lay Claim to Valuable NY Land, page 2
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reply posted on 16-6-2005 @ 11:18 PM by koji_K
Frequent and bloody wars, in which the whites were not always the aggressors, unavoidably ensued. European policy, numbers, and skill, prevailed. As the white population advanced, that of the Indians necessarily receded. The country in the immediate neighbourhood of agriculturists became unfit for them. The game fled into thicker and more unbroken forests, and the Indians followed. The soil, to which the crown originally claimed title, being no longer occupied by its ancient inhabitants, was parcelled out according to the will of the sovereign power, and taken possession of by persons who claimed immediately from the crown, or mediately, through its grantees or deputies.

That law which regulates, and ought to regulate in general, the relations between the conqueror and conquered, was incapable of application to a people under such circumstances. The resort to some new and different rule, better adapted to the actual state of things, was unavoidable. Every rule which can be suggested will be found to be attended with great difficulty.

However extravagant the pretension of converting the discovery of an inhabited country into conquest may appear; if the principle has been asserted in the first instance, and afterwards sustained; if a country has been acquired and held under it; if the property of the great mass of the community originates in it, it becomes the law of the land, and cannot be questioned.


Johnson v. M'Intosh, 21 U.S. 543, 590-91 (1823)

A quote from Justice Marshall's seminal Supreme Court opinion. Thought it was relevant here, at least as a little background.

Frankly, a casino in Hampton Bays would suck, big time. The last thing that area needs is yet even more traffic on Route 23. I feel for the Native Americans, but put things in perspective. A race of people was nearly exterminated, and building a casino is the only way they can improve their state of poverty? I don't question their logic, or blame them for wanting the casino. I just feel the totality of the situation makes the casino issue insignificant to the point where discussing it in reference to American history seem almost a sick joke.

What the Shinnecock Indians need is education and jobs. Can the United States offer them no better alternative than a state of affairs in which they have to build a casino? What other options are available to them to improve their lot? This is the question the Shinnecock, New York State, and the federal government need to be spending energy to address.

-koji K.

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reply posted on 17-6-2005 @ 07:44 AM by justme1640
-koji K says What the Shinnecock Indians need is education and jobs. Can the United States offer them no better alternative than a state of affairs in which they have to build a casino? What other options are available to them to improve their lot? This is the question the Shinnecock, New York State, and the federal government need to be spending energy to address.



Ok I have to jump in here -- I don't think people realize that this is a small community except in summer when it grows big time -- but the Shinnecocks don' t lack for things. They hold the same jobs as everyone else -- they are nurses, work for town hall, and village hall, work on the water, work for utilities, for the golf clubs, for the government, in the post office etc. they get the same salaries and benefits as everyone else. They go to the same schools and are able to get the same scholarships and then there are scholarships that are offered to them thru the government that I couldn't get. (which I don't begrudge them at all but trying to put this into perspective.) They are in our fire department on our ambulance squads etc. They are a part of our community in all aspects.

Yes they have a health care facility and a senior citizen center on their land -- but understand also they are no further from a doctor or a senior center than I am so while it is great that they have them there it isn't because they can't get to another one.

Sorry to go off on you -- but the fact that they are being portrayed as impoverished and don't have good jobs or education makes me nuts.



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