Ordo Templii Orientis: Who the heck are these guys??

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Cug

posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by TgSoe

There was one intersting thing said in Konx Om Pax and that was that Aleister Crowley wrote 32 volumes in his lifetime. I think that is Phenomenal. He doesn't strike me as the looser type. If he could have lived longer he would probably be rich today off his writings.


Who Knows? When Crowley wrote “Diary of a Drug Fiend” in 1922 he was (and still is in fact) vilified for it. The guy who wrote Trainspotting in the 1990’s made a mint from it. ::Shrug::


Originally posted by dh
Of interest is Crowley's input into the Germanen order and his close relation with Winston Churchill, with whom he was soundalike
So spiritual order into both sides just as there was financial


I’m sorry but it’s really hard to understand what you're trying to say. Something about vocal patterns causing a connection between people? And I don’t have a clue what the last line means. Please try again.




posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 12:39 PM
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Heirx, did you enter Masons
cos you were too old for the sex in OTO ?



Do people orgy in OTO ?



Where do people orgy ?


Can I be dressed and watch ?


Thanks,


Cedric



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment
Heirx, did you enter Masons
cos you were too old for the sex in OTO ?

Do people orgy in OTO ?

Where do people orgy ?

Can I be dressed and watch ?

Thanks,

Cedric


You troll! First of all, the word 'orgy' is not a verb. Why don't you educate yourself before you start spouting off?!

FYI, an orgy can mean different things to different people. Here's the root of the word. Perhaps it will enilighten you but I doubt it. BTW, don't address posts to me anymore. thanx.

Word History: The word orgy has become connected in the minds of many of us with unrestrained sexual activity, but its origins are much less licentious. We can trace the word as far back as the Indo-European root *werg-, meaning “to do,” also the source of our word work. Greek orgia, “secret rites, worship,” comes from *worg-, one form of this root. The Greek word was used with reference to the rites practiced in the worship of various deities, such as Orpheus and Dionysus. The word in Greek did not denote sexual activity, although this was a part of some rites. The rites of Dionysus, for example, included only music, dancing, drinking, and the eating of animal sacrifices. Having passed through Latin and Old French into English, the word orgy is first recorded in English with reference to the secret rites of the Greek and Roman religions in 1589. It is interesting to note that the word is first recorded with its modern sense in 18th-century English and perhaps in 17th-century French. Whether this speaks to a greater licentiousness in society or not must be left to the historian, but certainly the religious nature of the word has gone into eclipse.


Cug

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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Good lord, school yard taunts


please back on topic folks.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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>>>>First of all, the word 'orgy' is not a verb.

Cool ! I invented it !

Just like Alfred Jarry would.


"Orgying": I orgy, you orgy, she orgies, etc...



>>>>BTW, don't address posts to me anymore. thanx.


HeirX, I will do as I will.



>>>>>The Greek word was used with reference to the rites practiced in the worship of various deities


Err....I know all this stuff. I just don't give it much importance.



>>>but certainly the religious nature of the word has gone into eclipse.


Ok....nevermind the term orgy.


I was asking if OTO groupsex and if not, who does.


You don't need pagans to defend sex.

Hedonism exists. It's philosophy.


Simple as that.


Cedric Phishy


Cug

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment

I was asking if OTO groupsex and if not, who does.



If your looking for sex, I suggest finding your local red light district.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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What's the point of entering a
sect without the sex ?


Do you people reallly believe into all that stuff ????


Cedric



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment
What's the point of entering a
sect without the sex ?
Do you people reallly believe into all that stuff ????
Cedric


Where's a yawning emoticon when you need one?



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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HeirX,


I am so sure that you find sex so boring as to yawn.



Your symbol reads like a sex add.


lol


Cedric The Ephiminate



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment
HeirX, I will do as I will.


Oh, really? Thanks for the heads up.


Check this out:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It'll save me some time later.

Again........



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 06:33 PM
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Replies to terms of agreements:


1) I asked a question. I am not providing false information.

2) my comment "will do as I will" should be interpreted as humourous because of some religious moral described here that used a similar
motto. If you are planningto scare me saying that ?I have no rights to mention one person name, than bravo, you succeeded. Hence I won't mention the guy name ever again. ...Now....For having named his name twice I think that harassment is a little pulled by the hair and that you are defending someone on your personal behalf.


3) I never used images. Some symbols here may hide meanings that can be offensive but you might not know about them.


4) "You will not use profanity in our forums, and will neither post with language or content that is obscene, sexually oriented". This is censorship,
and bound to systems of beliefs that condemn sex. By willing to censor people referring to sex, you are depriving this forum for serious discussion about philosophies and religions that condemn it or not.



5) I am really called Cedric.



6) I have not used or referred to copyrighted material until this very post.



7) these days I only write here


8) I am not posting my poems. I am incline to titillate a discussion
in the way that can provide the information that people actually want
to know.

9 - 12) I am not marketting anything nor sending viruses unless
you mean philosophical quotes able to dismantle systems of belief.


13) my messages are very relevant to the topic of a sect that get many people climb curtains because of fear that the endoctrinated participants might be into sex. I am saying that... if this is reallythe central purpose of such sects, than why not just be frank and open about it.


14) I am not hi-jacking this site


15) "You will, if asked by myself or a moderator, cease posting any content, and/or links to content, deemed offensive, objectionable, or in poor taste"
Are you willing to elaborate on why you think my postings have poor taste ? Did I mention any insults ? I only used the words "sex" and "orgy".
It is not supposed to be harmful. I am not propagating a hate agenda here.



16) I am not discussing anything illegal.


17) My lawyer will easily defend me if I am officially accused of harassment for naming one name twice.


18) As long as you mention my name.

19) "We reserve the right to delete any message and/or restrict posting rights on the message board for any reason whatsoever." Than why post
18 lines of agreement just to come into this one ? Before you get rid of me, I still stand that my post is pointing at very exact taboos that a lot of people hold regarding sects, and trying to put it in the open to see what really the fuss is really all about. Than what ? I get moderator alarm.
No wonder secret societies keep their secrets. You are not helping the purpose of this website by circumveluting discussions that could lead to some light if people let themselves talk a little bit more openly than being intimidated by moral guides that are often at the sources of the philosophical reactions that make people start sects in the first place.


20) tell me when I break the law. Justice system is corrupted for all what is discussed on these pages.


Cheers,

Cedric Phi



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment

Snip




You want to "spam"?

That's another no no.

Play with me if you wish. This is a serious website, we don't take this type of "crap" lightly.

Proceed at your own risk.


Are you being threatened? Only if you don't live by the T&C.

Which I'm glad to see you've read.


Welcome to a private board.

Have a nice day.

I'm guessing you're too young to remember this one:




[edit on 8-7-2005 by intrepid]

2nd edit: Logged out. Damn, I'm shocked.


[edit on 8-7-2005 by intrepid]



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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I am not spamming but defending
against your accusations.



Banning me would not be the first time
in humanity that someone abuse
of their power.


You are just being unfair, basically.


Without secrets and conspiracies, afterall, this
site wouldn't have a purpose to exist, so it would only
make sense that you would create your own, and decide
who you like or dislike at your own "will".





As far as crap:


"The human being never invented anything better than imbecility
to believe he is superior to another"

Amélie Nothomb (La Mécanique Des Tubes)




Thanks for your empathy,


Cedric 1,618



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment





I am not spamming but defending
against your accusations.



Banning me would not be the first time
in humanity that someone abuse
of their power.


You are just being unfair, basically.


Without secrets and conspiracies, afterall, this
site wouldn't have a purpose to exist, so it would only
make sense that you would create your own, and decide
who you like or dislike at your own "will".





As far as crap:


"The human being never invented anything better than imbecility
to believe he is superior to another"

Amélie Nothomb (La Mécanique Des Tubes)




Thanks for your empathy,


Cedric 1,618



Cool mate, I'll just pass this on to the rest of the staff. Out of my hands now.

Too bad you didn't take counsil. Had to be an ass. Oh well.


Cug

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 07:33 PM
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And the subject of this thread is the O.T.O. who they are what they do ect...

Centiment, if you have a question just ask it, stop acting like a naughty schoolboy.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Cug
And the subject of this thread is the O.T.O. who they are what they do ect...


Appologies to you and the topic, another casualty of a shallow mind.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 08:03 PM
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9 - 12) I am not marketting anything nor sending viruses unless
you mean philosophical quotes able to dismantle systems of belief.


But wait!!! He was just about to dismantle my system of belief, and I was so looking forward to it.



No questions as of yet, but I have been enjoying the read.



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 10:47 PM
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You know what, Intrepid ?

if you didn't come and act like a smart ass
and get us entangled in this quarell,

everything was FINE.




I declare my apologies to (can't name him) for trying to joke
about the OTO "Will" motto, I think that is the most honorable thing
I can do.


I still think that, with all the rumors about
sex acts in OTO I had reasons to titillate arguments on the matter.


I think you are the one creating all this zizania.


You've made your warnings,
I think you should let us discuss "in peace"
about OTO and stop seeing abuse where there
is none.



On last account, someone here described me
how the term "orgy" orginally didn't mean
what people of today generally think it means.


It was a step toward getting to talk
about permissive sects, and see
if OTO share any similarities
with Raelians and the likes.



With your thought police.
You are killing this discussion and in the process
scaring everyone off for speaking their minds.


It happens that people in societies here are sometimes
curious to read about the opinion of outsiders,
as been proven in the post right above me.



Cedric 23



posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 11:06 PM
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Angelwitch you are not OTO.



To dismantle your disbelief all you need to do is read basic science books
(any Hawking will do) explaining you what science know as of yet
concerning the beginning and the end of this universe.


Than...you go read Schopenhauer, and adapt principles of
the Universe to philosophy (what of course take a little from buddhism, but,
without the names, categories, superfluous taggings).


Now...look closely: ><



They are 22 laws to wisdom.


The first one is: Unity.


With unity, it is impossible for you
to separate from the rest of the universe,
like it is impossible to believe that you think
differently from another.

That is only temporarely.


What you perceive from the other as being different
from you, wrether an opinion or a levelof intelligence,
is only ever but a mirror of yourself.


That dismantles the majority of religions
that believe that they hold a right path,
because no paths is right.


All paths are equal
(like I'm the equal of mr. Intrepid
banning himself by banning me).


What you perceive as separations and
dualities within the world are only
temporalities.


Hence what I find vain in religions
or any systems of beliefs that create
segregations.



Cheers,


Cedric The Ephiminate


Cug

posted on Jul, 8 2005 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment

You know what, Intrepid ?

if you didn't come and act like a smart ass
and get us entangled in this quarell,

everything was FINE.


Please take this up with Intrepid via u2u. It simply does not belong here.

And If I may ask... Intrepid, if you wish to follow up on this post please do it via u2u also. Thanks




I still think that, with all the rumors about
sex acts in OTO I had reasons to titillate arguments on the matter.


Just ask, no need to play games





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