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NEWS: Schiavo Autopsy Clears Husband of Wrongdoing

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posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Schiavo died of dehydration after nearly two weeks without food or fluids. How much did her brain atrophy during that time? The autopsy did not reveal at what point she became blind. What's with all the sodium in her body?


The catscan from 2002 already showed some major damage in the brain.

The doctor said she was blind because the “vision centers of her brain were dead,”

The way that scan from 2002 looks, she may have been blind already at that point.


Left: Scan of normal 25-year-old's brain; Right: Schiavo's 2002 CT scan at age 38.
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 15-6-2005 by AceOfBase]




posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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now will we here anything from those who had nothing but vileness and evil thoughts toward her husband? Any apologies from the protestors who called him a murderer, and who called him a liar and claimed all sorts of abuse?

Or, most likely, they'll continute to believe they were "right", since their Feeeeelings trumped out whatever evidence was presented, their convictions and Feeeelings will continue to carry them through.



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I sent an email to Greta Van Susteren asking her to address this matter, if you covers the autopsy results on her show.


Just wondering Grady, did she address your question?



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by shots
Just wondering Grady, did she address your question?


The show airs in about twenty minutes. Greta has been globe trotting, so I don't know if she is giving the attention to her email that she usually does. It is not unusual to get a response from her about one issue or the other. Clearly, she has millions of fans and she can't answer all her emails.

Greta is in Aruba tonight and the missing girl case is likely to be on the front burner. If she does cover the story, I'll post here what she has to say about it.



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott


The show airs in about twenty minutes.


Boy am I bad. I had her mixed up with Linda Vester. I will watch the show along with you, but still think if something comes of it you should post it for others to see since it was your question



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The catscan from 2002 already showed some major damage in the brain.

The doctor said she was blind because the “vision centers of her brain were dead,”

The way that scan from 2002 looks, she may have been blind already at that point.


Left: Scan of normal 25-year-old's brain; Right: Schiavo's 2002 CT scan at age 38.
en.wikipedia.org...


SHE'S BLIND!










Viewing Videotape, Frist Disputes Florida Doctors' Diagnosis

Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 19, 2005; Page A15


Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), a renowned heart surgeon before becoming Senate majority leader, went to the floor late Thursday night for the second time in 12 hours to argue that Florida doctors had erred in saying Terri Schiavo is in a "persistent vegetative state."

"I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office," he said in a lengthy speech in which he quoted medical texts and standards. "She certainly seems to respond to visual stimuli."


Thanks again Dr. "Tears transmit AIDS" Frist.

Made any headway on sponsoring that Mexican Jumping Beans Work From REAL MAGIC bill to teach ALL "scientific" theories in public schools?

[edit on 15-6-2005 by RANT]



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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The peanut gallery so active on ATS when the case was being decided, those people who assumed the worst about Schiavo's husband, have mysteriously disappeared. They said some awful things about her husband, truly.

I mean, give the guy the benefit of the doubt. It appears now that he was in fact innocent of abusing his wife, and can you imagine what an injustice it would have been if he had been tried and convicted based essentially on bad, malicious press, while going through that nasty business with her family?

That would have been an enormous injustice.

I just wanted to add my voice to those wondering, where are those few special members now? Why aren't they here, voicing apologies for their behavior?

In any case, I think this should serve as a warning to all people to be more careful about their pronouncements, especially when it comes to slandering people they don't even know. That guy looked like a bit of a scumbag to me too, he looked guilty truth be told. But in American that's not enough. We have laws and procedures, and you don't get to rewrite them just to nail people you don't like the look of.

At least the final word is in, this case is finished now, right?



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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If you cover the Schiavo autopsy report and you consult Dr. Baden, please ask him how much brain atrophy or other damage might have occurred as a result of dehydration. Also, the pathologists commented on the high levels of sodium in Schiavo's skin and organs.


This is my email, so I guess I can conclude that she didn't read the email or she ignored it. She did ask Dr. Baden about when the brain damage and the atrophy occurred, though. She did not bring up the sodium issue.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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One of the things I found disturbing (before the autopsy) is that they the medical establishment made this decision about her being brain dead based on a cat scan and did not do anymore up to date tests to verify it from the reports I read. I personally thought that if she was indeed brain dead the most humane thing was being done by her husband. But I also thought they should have done every test possible, I don't know what that would be other than an MRI which shows a more detailed scan than a cat scan, last I heard from a doctor about these sort of things, I have had both due to migraines.

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posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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THere was a reason they couldn't do an MRI while she was alive, I can't remember exactly what it was but I think she had a metal device inserted in her brain at some point.

Yeah it's odd those people that insisted her husband beat her into a vegetative state and was plotting with the hospice staff to kill her every day, aren't around now. The poor woman was long past the point of any possible recovery and it was really immoral to prolong her existance for so many years.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 08:48 AM
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It would appear that the parents now are questioning the results, which brings up a new question. Can they have their own specialists look at the medical records? They are not the guardians, my answer would be no.


Bob and Mary Schindler disputed the results, insisting their daughter interacted with them and tried to speak. Their attorney said the family plans to discuss the autopsy with other medical experts and may take some unspecified legal action.

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posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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Ok, im satisfied, i guess. Time to put it all behind us and move on to the next story


I thought her husband was a swine, for the record. I' m at peace with this now.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 09:48 AM
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Yes, they can subpoena medical records, if there's a valid reason for doing so. You don't have to be a guardian to do this.

As it is, there doesn't appear to be any legal reason to keep this debacle continuing further. Even at the onset, nobody could provide any evidence that Mr Schiavo was guilty of any abuse, or indeed, that any abuse had even taken place.

With regards to medical findings:

It's not uncommon to find increased levels of various chemicals/electrolytes in the organs of someone who effectively died from dehydration.

As for the doctor who commented on Terri's ability to see...he based this upon his viewing of a videotape? Sorry, but that's simply an opinion, and one that's not really reliable. It's completely, utterly subjective - the only way a reliable opinion can be garnered in such cases is examination of the subject directly, via clinical observation (which can utilise videotape, but generally only if the tape was made for such a purpose. Home videos are rarely good for this purpose).



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
THere was a reason they couldn't do an MRI while she was alive, I can't remember exactly what it was but I think she had a metal device inserted in her brain at some point.


Thanks, you are right I do recall hearing something about the husband taking her somewheres for some new treatment in the hopes it would help her but it did not and there was a metal device in her brain so that would definitely rule out an MRI.


SMR

posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 06:17 PM
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Schiavo Autopsy Clears Husband of Wrongdoing

What does wrongdoing have to do with morality?
Guess there is nothing WRONG with starving a human to death



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Yes, they can subpoena medical records, if there's a valid reason for doing so. You don't have to be a guardian to do this.



Well now that the findings are in obviously there is no valid reason is there? He has been cleared on any wrong doing according to the report.



As for the doctor who commented on Terri's ability to see...he based this upon his viewing of a videotape? Sorry, but that's simply an opinion, and one that's not really reliable. It's completely, utterly subjective - the only way a reliable opinion can be garnered in such cases is examination of the subject directly, via clinical observation (which can utilise videotape, but generally only if the tape was made for such a purpose. Home videos are rarely good for this purpose).


No you have what was said at the news conference confused with the clinical facts. The doctor that did the autopsy had not seen her before to my knowledge. The autopsy results were based on clinical evidence of her body.





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posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 07:29 PM
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No...I was referring to the other doctor...who was saying Terri could see, who was acting on behalf of her parents.

I wasn't referring to the pathologist, or the autopsy team.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
No...I was referring to the other doctor...who was saying Terri could see, who was acting on behalf of her parents.

I wasn't referring to the pathologist, or the autopsy team.



Ok sorry my mistake; I misunderstood what you said, that was my fault.

I assume we agree that there is no longer any valid reason for her parents to ask for the courts to release her medical records right?



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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Yeap, I fully concur


Unless they wish to somehow try to prove the pathologist was part of a conspiracy, or that he was considerably (and thus perhaps criminally) negligent - although I really doubt there's any truth to such allegations whatsoever, sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if a lawsuit was filed.

I can understand their grief - to lose a child is the most devastating of personal tragedies - but there must come a point where one really should "let go", so to speak.


SMR

posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 05:05 PM
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Would it not be best to 'let go' in a more humane way though?
Starving someone to death regardless of condition seems unethical regardless of relgion or belief.She was a human being despite being in her state.
I think 'lettting her go' could have been done medically, but thats just my opinion.



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