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NWO/CFR Openly Discuss Dismantling of USA

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posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 12:38 AM
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www.rumormillnews.com...
Looks like the second phase has started.Soon unions are going to pop up like africian union,american union and all of them would be merged to form a global fascist govt.



Nothing requires an alarm and ALL CAPS titles. Nothing. Every topic is important! (If you can call a link and one sentence a "topic.")

[edit on 14-6-2005 by RANT]




posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 06:06 AM
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Here is the link to the original article

transcripts.cnn.com...

It doesnt have the same headline, I cbf reading through it.



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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The Council on Foreign Relations has published a report which articulates the plan to subvert the Constitution by dissolving our nation in favor of a
continental government.

Ok, where's the report? Its not in my copy of the publication of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Here it is in pdf format.


What we hope to accomplish by 2010 is a common external tariff which
will mean that goods can move easily across the border. We want a common
security perimeter around all of North America, so as to ease the travel of people within North America.

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As usual, the hysteria far overhypes whats actually being talked about. In a paragraph it went from 'Secret evil group wants to destroy the US and make it like the rest of the dirt world' into 'working with the mexicans and canadians to have more secure borders'


The incorportaion of the United States into a greater North American policy group would be a good idea anyway, and it absolutely wouldn't need for the Constituion to be dismantled or even altered. The Federal Government has the authority to work out agreements with other nations, and thats all that this needs to be.


a section of a transcript discussing the report:
We made a number of important recommendations, I think. The key one is to think in terms of a security perimeter surrounding a zone of security. We make the point that it is important for all three governments to commit themselves to security within that zone, thereby alleviating some of the need to try to build barriers at our mutual borders. That implies a great many things. It implies greater cooperation between our security and intelligence agencies, exchange of information, assistance in keeping track of persons who may be security risks. It implies that we understand the nature of the goods and people that are coming into the continent. With respect to goods, it means cooperation with respect to the inspection of goods coming from overseas.



and here are some of the more pressing recommendations of the independant group



  1. the three governments should strive toward a situation in which a terrorist trying to penetrate our borders will have an equally hard time doing so, no matter which country he elects to enter first.
  2. The three countries should develop a secure North American Border Pass with biometric identifiers. This document would allow its bearers expedited passage through customs, immigration, and airport security throughout the region. The program would be modeled on the U.S.-Canadian “NEXUS” and the U.S.-Mexican “SENTRI” programs, which provide “smart cards” to allow swifter passage to those who pose no risk. Only those who voluntarily seek, receive, and pay the costs for a security clearance would obtain a Border Pass. The pass would be accepted at all border points within North America as a complement to, but not a replacement for, national identity documents or passports.
  3. Harmonize entry screening and tracking procedures for people, goods, and vessels (including integration of name-based and biometric watch lists);
  4. Fully share data about the exit and entry of foreign nationals
  5. Jointly inspect container traffic entering North American ports, building on
    the Container Security Initiative.
  6. Expand border infrastructure.
  7. Expand NORAD into a multiservice Defense Command[...]that would
    expand the principle of Canadian-U.S. joint command to land and naval as well as air forces engaged in defending the approaches to North America.
  8. Law enforcement
    cooperation should be expanded from its current levels through the exchange of
    liaison teams and better use of automated systems for tracking, storing, and
    disseminating timely intelligence. This should be done immediately. In the area of military cooperation, collaboration can proceed more slowly, specially between U.S. and Mexican militaries. However, the ultimate goal needs to be the timely sharing of accurate information and intelligence and higher levels of cooperation.
  9. Intensify Mexican efforts to accelerate its economic development.
  10. Enhance the capacity of the North American Development Bank:NADBank was conceived to support environmental infrastructure
    projects within 100 kilometers on both sides of the Mexican-U.S. border. After a slow start, NADBank has done important work over recent years, and its mandate has been expanded recently to cover 300 kilometers into Mexico. However, to achieve its full potential, the U.S. and Mexican governments should (1) expand NADBank’s mandate to include other infrastructure sectors, particularly transportation; (2) permit it to access domestic capital markets and apply credit enhancement tools; (3) support the establishment of revolving funds through both grants and soft loans throughout its jurisdiction; and (4) strengthen its technical assistance programs to promote good governance and creditworthiness of communities and public utilities. Finally, NADBank’s internal procedures and the process of project certification should be reformed in order to allow for a significantly faster and more transparent deployment of funds.

These are all reasonable and sensible things and practically everyone in the US is calling for more border infrastructure, like fences, security buildings, etc.

Hmm, lemme seach for 'dismantling US Constitution', nope, nothing. In fact, the only time the term 'constitution' comes up is with respect to the mexican constitution and how it controls owndership or economic resources. Similarly, the term 'continental government' doesn't appear anywhere in the document.

Its it any surprise that something called 'rumour mill news' is a rumour mill?

Even CNN seems to have it wrong, the report does not want

the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada.

Its talking about making the US-Mexican border more secure and making the borders of north america as a whole more secure, which makes a hell of a lot of sense since its far easier to patrol a border with an ocean than an open prarie.


Well, it's a -- it's a mind-boggling concept

Yeah Dobbs, capitalism, really mind-blowing. Its just crazy to talk about getting the free flow of capital and the sharing of security information and border crossing violations between neighbhoring countries.



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 01:49 PM
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nygdan,
nafta turned into more protectionism. 'free trade' isn't free.
this is how the CFR is compromising the ability of ALL countries to determine their own courses. all these 'international agreements' are produced by a handful of people. these people are simply TOO POWERFUL. open a history book and don't just read the words for a change. people who are TOO POWERFUL inevitably are turned to the dark side.
the most successful organistions are made up of small autonomous groups which can respond rapidly and effeciently to the maelstrom of civilisation.
you probably don't care that the federal reserve is a cash cow for a couple of good 'ole boys. you probably don't care that this same type of doing 'business' is what gave us crushing 'national debt'. you probably won't mind mandatory biometric ids for all citizens. etc.

how do i know? because you get a report from the CFR.



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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open a history book and don't just read the words for a change

Hey, howabout you open a freaking history book alright? Don't tell me that I've never studied any of this because of your own ignorance.

people who are TOO POWERFUL inevitably are turned to the dark side.

Yeah, 'dark side' real dark, getting countries to work together on common issues, how absolutely horrible.

And how dare the CFR, an independant Non-Governmental group express an opinion, study a situation, and offer solutions. Where do they get off right?


because you get a report from the CFR.

And you got the report from the CFR too, its publically available on their website. Excuse me for bothering to read the very document that was under discussion, and then, egads, discussing it.



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

open a history book and don't just read the words for a change

Hey, howabout you open a freaking history book alright? Don't tell me that I've never studied any of this because of your own ignorance.

people who are TOO POWERFUL inevitably are turned to the dark side.

Yeah, 'dark side' real dark, getting countries to work together on common issues, how absolutely horrible.

And how dare the CFR, an independant Non-Governmental group express an opinion, study a situation, and offer solutions. Where do they get off right?


because you get a report from the CFR.

And you got the report from the CFR too, its publically available on their website. Excuse me for bothering to read the very document that was under discussion, and then, egads, discussing it.


look, i don't have to watch every episode of sesmame street to know that ernie is gonna giggle, oscar's grouchy, and there IS such a thing as a snuffleumpugus.

i've watched the activities and cabals of the CFR to know that when they do something, it has the wallpaper of looking like a good thing, but behind that is a noxious totalitarian element of globalists only interested in maintaining their oligarchy.

egad. can't you see that globalism is only a good thing is it's democratic globalism? what we have is corporate/bureacratic globalism, which is BAD. if you can't see this, then you're either not looking, or just not seeing.

sorry about the book comment.

[edit on 14-6-2005 by billybob]



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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History book? I don't need a history book as I've witnessed these other stupid agreements damage our economy and do nothing for our sovereignty. So far, the U.S. has been bled. I can see no reason to believe that this trend will be reversed.

If you look at the "sensible" things that "everyone" is calling for, you'll notice that many of the things are not being called for by everyone. National ID cards? What idiot is calling for them, and what good does one expect a National ID card to do, otehr than track the legal citizen?

While this kind of nonsense is being talked about, the Border Patrol is directed to do very little, the borders are pourous as can be, and illegal aliens are everywhere.

I live in Southeast Alabama, not Arizona, New Mexico or Texas, and the area is flooded with illegal aliens. Citizens no longer give it a second thought when they hear Spanish being rattled off in the stores. Are you following me? Far from the boarder with Mexico, the illegals are everywhere, and the federal government does nothing to stop it.


Now, let's think of why the federal government would want to NOT prevent a crisis. Can anyone guess why the government might allow a crisis to build, or even foster its developement? Show of hands, please? Yes, Little Johnny? The Reichtag, you say? Yes, Johnny, excellent historical comparison!



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
What idiot is calling for them, and what good does one expect a National ID card to do, otehr than track the legal citizen?

Their proposal is not for a national id card, its for a continental 'speed pass' that will be used at the international borders. You won't have to show it to anyone, and if you want to use it you can use it to get thru border stations more quickly.



While this kind of nonsense is being talked about, the Border Patrol is directed to do very little, the borders are pourous as can be,

The US-Mexican border, as a security concern, is very difficult to police, and this study looks at the option of policing the mexican borders, which are oceanic, or the land based one is much more narrow. This task force from the CFR isn't saying, 'don't police the mexico-US border, its saying 'lets work with the mexican authorities to set up another barrier to security risks.


and illegal aliens are everywhere.

I've gotta say that, while I think illegals should be rounded up, thrown in jail, and then only released when mexico is ready to imprison them, and that they and their families and mexico should be forced to pay for as much of their own jailtime as possible, I also think that there should be more legal immigration, and that a person should be able to come to the US so long as they can demonstrate that they are who they say they are.

Can anyone guess why the government might allow a crisis to build, or even foster its developement?

To allow extremely cheap and unsupported labour to come into the country.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 12:31 AM
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And, when we are down to zero percent unemployment, and there are no able-bodied people receiving government assistance while doing nothing, I'll agree to open the doors for more unskilled people.

I agree with your answer, as far as saying that it is but one of the reasons.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 02:37 AM
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ROMANS: That's the view in a report called "Building a North American Community." It envisions a common border around the U.S., Mexico and Canada in just five years, a border pass for residents of the three countries, and a freer flow of goods and people.


ok this clearly states from the cnn link, a shared border. and the border pass therin amounts to nothing more than an internal passports system.

so the theory is, we can get them to accept internal passports if we expand the size of the state so they dont notice. expect that to trickle down at least. it also serves teh goal of NWO thru horizontal economic regionalism causing a trade war dialetic. (all dialetics cause centralization). also notice the word community (i guess it takes a village to come up with these idiots).



posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Ok, where's the report? Its not in my copy of the publication of the Council on Foreign Relations.

(snip good post)


If you could vote moderators for "way above" awards, I'd vote for this one... actually researching the source of a rumor - a rare thing in these parts.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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The CFR was founded in 1921 by Edward Mandell House, who in 1912 wrote the book Phillip Dru: Administrator. In this book, he laid out the groundwork of a conspiracy to lead America into a socialist world government. This conspiracy (House's words) would involve gaining control of both the Democratic and Republican parties, introduction of a graduated income tax, and the establishment of a central bank (the Fed). The plan futher called for giving up US sovereignity to the League of Nations (replaced by the UN).

Isn't this what has happened? It does not matter who is office, Democrat or Republican. They are both selling our country down the river. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank that is bleeding this country dry. And as far as giving away our sovereignity, the latest episode they are trying for is the Land of the Sea Treaty, which would give the UN control of the high seas.

Why is there no outcry in this country? Because among its many members, the CFR claims are the leaders of the major media outlets. Why else is the mainstream media constantly attacking the United States?

Yes Alice, the CFR is working to enslave America in a one world government.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 10:54 PM
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That book is a fictional novel, not a political declaration. Also, what would dru's intentions matter? He and everyone he knows has been dead for a long time, and the people associated with the CFR are hardly all socialists and democrats.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
That book is a fictional novel, not a political declaration. Also, what would dru's intentions matter? He and everyone he knows has been dead for a long time, and the people associated with the CFR are hardly all socialists and democrats.


just like brave new world, animal farm, and 1984 are 'just novels'?
anything pushed to it's extreme flips into it's opposite. runaway capitalism is nearly indistinguishable from runaway socialism. they both end up as pyramid schemes, with a few privleged people dictating to a massive throng. balance is the way to go. some socialism, some capitalism. keeping the population healthy is key to a dependable workforce. you gotta keep the workers happy. it is ridiculous that countries owe money to private banks. money is merely a proxy system for trading goods and services. WHY DOES ALL OUR MONEY FUNNEL INTO THE HANDS OF A TINY HANDFUL OF PEOPLE?
and we let these same people take away all our autonomy to govern ourselves through all these international trade agreements.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 12:54 AM
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Yes, they are novels. Not the charters of secret cabals. The guy who was part of the formation of the CFR may have been a socialist, but whats that matter? The CFR is not what anyone today would call a socialist organization.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Yes, they are novels. Not the charters of secret cabals. The guy who was part of the formation of the CFR may have been a socialist, but whats that matter? The CFR is not what anyone today would call a socialist organization.


EXACTLY! I would not be the first to refer to it as a fascist organization. It would be great if CFR were more socially minded they might actually do things to better humanity than sqeeze the blood from it all just to make the 1% of the world controlling the money and power have a stronger strangle-hold over all of us



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Yes, they are novels. Not the charters of secret cabals. The guy who was part of the formation of the CFR may have been a socialist, but whats that matter? The CFR is not what anyone today would call a socialist organization.


have you read "the report from iron mountain"?
satire is more than just story telling. i don't think relevant satire is in the same category as harlequin romance or pulp fiction.
these books were not written by the actual cabalists(except for brave new world, aldous huxley was a big planner for the NWO), but they WERE written by acute observers of polictics and social dynamics. they were written as satire, because very dire issues are sometimes too sensitive, too outlandish, and too risky to write as fact.

this is also why the daily show has more news on it than the news.

and, i'd like to try and make people realise, that far left socialism(communist totalitarianism) and far right fascism(capitalist totalitarianism) are practically the same thing to the guy on the street. you will be forced to work for peanuts. you will NEVER be able to climb out of your class. you will obey.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by billybob
have you read "the report from iron mountain"?

No, whats it about?



this is also why the daily show has more news on it than the news.


and, i'd like to try and make people realise, that far left socialism(communist totalitarianism) and far right fascism(capitalist totalitarianism) are practically the same thing to the guy on the street

I agree with that idea entirely, the two extremes are so far to the oppositte ends of the political spectrum that they practically come full circle and are the same thing.

But I don't think people are saying that this guy was an extremist no? They are saying he was a socialist, not a radical anarcho-communist and the like. That he was the right hand man of Wilson, who was big on the League of Nations and what not. That doesn't mean that the CFR is working for internationalist communists and the like.



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by billybob
have you read "the report from iron mountain"?

No, whats it about?


www.google.com..."the+report+from+iron+mountain"

it's a paper published in 1967 that purported to be a leaked memo from a secret government thinktank formed to study the feasibility and effects of the movement from a war economy to a peace economy. it was so well done, that people, even top government officials, thought it was real. kind of like the 'war of the worlds' broadcast's effect(h.g. wells was an NWO think tank guy, incidentally).
the thing is, it turns out, is that it was satire. maybe. there is deniability built in. the author claims it is satire.
it's really a great case in point for students of conspiracy theory and debunkers alike.



Originally posted by Nygdan
I agree with that idea entirely, the two extremes are so far to the oppositte ends of the political spectrum that they practically come full circle and are the same thing.

But I don't think people are saying that this guy was an extremist no? They are saying he was a socialist, not a radical anarcho-communist and the like. That he was the right hand man of Wilson, who was big on the League of Nations and what not. That doesn't mean that the CFR is working for internationalist communists and the like.



from one of the search results. a book review......
"The book is really most interesting for its hoax effect and for its demonstration of the odd convergence of Far Left and Far Right.  It's an amusing curio, but not much more.  It offers definitive proof that, as H. L. Mencken said (or nearly said) : no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."


now, i would RABIDLY disagree that this is nothing more than an 'amusing curio'. but, that's just me.
...and a bunch of right wing militia groups that use it as the gospel, and refuse to believe the author's claim of satire.
.....and many journalists and politicians back when it was released('67).
........and history, which has been unfolding MANY of the recommendations of the book.

and this is why, some books are not, 'just novels'.

'the interior landscape' by marshall mcluhan is a great read(anything by him is a great read. very mind expanding stuff.) for understanding the way our myths and art govern our reality. "from myth to archetype" is another. "the medium is the message" is his most famous book(and quote).

even by reading those titles, i get a sense of the invisible ground that our collective myth stands on.



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posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 02:16 PM
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it looks like david icke's site has it online, ....
the report from iron mountain

that's the whole thing. the newer copies have an afterword by the author, and some appendixes giving historical reference and context.



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