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Congress ready to resurrect Draft!!..

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posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Hey, what about we cowards who tried to get in but were booted due to some health concerns? And I'm not even poor! What's wrong with the JJ?!


I'm confused there....

If one WANTS to go in, but is TOLD they cannot, how are they cowards?
I WANTED to go in....even had two letters from Senators to go to the Academy, but couldn't as I was TOLD a frickin' heart murmur would keep me out. (as I couldn't run far or long). I was going to be on a frickin' ship!!! Just how far would I be running???
This was WAY before even Gulf War I by the way....

Interesting question on the women being drafted. I don't think either party is ready to go to that extreme. I'm not the only one here who's been saying this, not even the most vocal, but we TOLD you there would be a draft, that there HAD to be a draft, etc. if we persisted in this ill-conceived War on terror, the way we are fighting it....

I still cannot believe we (well, not me) legitimately re-elected this embicile...but folks, you asked for it, you got it....




posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by LA_Maximus

Is'nt that partially how the Roman Empire fell apart??.....young Roman men decided that military service was "beneath them" and pretty soon the military is full of foreigners who may not always agree with policy.

Maximu§


Better than a native who doesn't agree imo


also some factors for rome

Decay
Financial Problems
The Dole and Barbarians
Economic, Military, Gradual
Christianity
Vandals and Religious Controversy
Division of the Empire
Lead
Hoarding and Deficit

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posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Uhhhhhh.........you haven't heard anybody on the TV or any government officials talking about a possible nuclear attack by terrorists??? What planet do you live on?

That alone wouldn't cause a draft.
We'd just bomb the (crap) out of....whoever.



The "time-tested" process I was referring to was the process by which the powers-that-be end up getting exactly what they want in a democracy.

So...has anyone explained yet why the powers-that-be want a draft but constantly keep voting it down and saying they don't want a draft?



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
...I was going to be on a frickin' ship!!! Just how far would I be running???



It depends Gaz, you might have been chased by a horde of sailors wanting to force you in to a little man-love.
That would not be the time for your ticker to give out.

Peace


[edit on 13-6-2005 by Dr Love]



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Syntaxer, what you are witnessing is the progression from a two party state to a one party representation in two party sheeps clothing. I have noticed that they both work together with just enough animosity between them to keep up the facad of a two party system. Democracy is dead and we killed it through inaction and apathy.



Originally posted by Marid Audran
No, this is a true conspiracy. They want to bring back the draft so that in 2008 their candidate can point to the draft and say, "look, the Republicans brought back the draft!"


I have to agree with both statements mentioned above, although they clearly contradict one another. It seems Democrats/Republicans will continue to play Good cop, Bad cop when it comes to deciding NWO political issues, however, the true decision will be made by the men who sit behind the greatest board room on Earth
. Regardless, Rangels comments do fall along the lines of what Marid Audran expressed, a bring-back the draft repercussion that will hurt the GOP support/base, yes, paving way for Hillary in 2008.




[edit on 13-6-2005 by syntaxer]



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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its a shame no one considered the alternative to the dwindling amounts of recruits is to stop using the US military as bush and cheneys private oil acquisition team......and use them as a protective shield around our borders, not the "world police"



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
its a shame no one considered the alternative to the dwindling amounts of recruits is to stop using the US military as bush and cheneys private oil acquisition team......and use them as a protective shield around our borders, not the "world police"


Man, your crazy!!! Crazy I say. Using the Military to protect and defend? Not atatck for private reasons? Man.. you are one crazy mother..........



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 03:06 PM
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Hey just email your sitting president and vice-president and ask them their views on the draft. If I'm not mistaken they both did everything in their power to avoid Vietnam. I guess they'll be good at closing the loopholes since they used everyone they could find to avoid Vietnam.

The draft is inevitable for the US. If you keep starting up these rediculous wars and have the continued lower recruiting numbers you will have no choice but to force people to their deaths.

I should become an immigration lawyer here in Canada. Imagine all the money I could make helping all the draft dodgers and potheads get into Canada.

The only way I could see the draft getting axed is if you guys stop starting wars all over the place and start accepting reality. You guys put yourselves where you are today, not some terrorist. So it's time to live up to it and make ammends. Blaming others for your own mistakes is very childish.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Passer By
Man, your crazy!!! Crazy I say. Using the Military to protect and defend? Not atatck for private reasons? Man.. you are one crazy mother..........


That's true. We must use our military to spread *sarcasm on* freedom and democracy *sarcasm off*across the globe!

Guess what Johnny......your legs and pecker being blown off didn't totally happen in vain! You helped bring freedom and democracy to the Middle East. Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee! That's makes your future being unable to walk and fornicate all the more worthwhile!

That kind of goodwill just brings a tear to your eye...doesn't it??

Peace


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[edit on 13-6-2005 by Dr Love]



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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With this talk about new youngsters going off and dying, errrr, spreading demovracy and freedom around it brings a warm fuzzy feeling to my stomach. Wait that isn't warm and fuzzy, it is nausea


DEEZNUTZ - Hey, we can start up the official ATS immigration society. You and I, and other fine upstanding Canadians, will help our American brothern to escape and hide out up here. We can stash them in northern BC or Northern Ontario. Ofcourse, we should discuss this. Maybe I can come out to get some fine BCbud....errrrr..... I mean discuss, ya, discuss freeing Americans!!



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Taken from politics.abovetopsecret.com...

"The proposed changes discussed in this meeting(Feb '03) include:

* Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft. This non-combat Skills Draft would induct men and women ages 18 to 34.

* Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the Dept. of Homeland Security and other agencies as well, especially high-paying professional positions like computer networking specialist or linguist. However, truck drivers, cooks, and several hundred other skills are also considered “critical.”

* Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young person would be forced to send in a “self-declaration”—like an IRS form—of all of their critical skills, chosen from a long list of several hundred occupations, similar to the Air Force Specialty Code with Skills Identifier. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a $250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

* Upgrade the Medical Draft so that it collects data on skill sets and other information in the same way the Skills Draft would.

* Reduce induction time from being able to deliver all inductees in 193 days down to just 90 days for skills and medical inductees. "

As far as I know the 15th of June is still the deadline for the draft lottery to be up and running.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by FreeThinking1
* Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft. This non-combat Skills Draft would induct men and women ages 18 to 34.


My girlfriend falls in to this age group. There's no way in hell I would let her go if they drafted her. It's not going to happen in any lifetime I can assure you. Drafting women is unacceptable! I don't care if it's "critical skills" or not. If a woman wants to volunteer that's different.

Peace



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 04:17 PM
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Having the potheads and cowards flee the country is probably a good thing.

I love it when certain young people are strident about their political feelings and the sacred vote but claim or do run away from the responsibilities of citizenship when the majority vote asks them to serve. You can't have it both ways. If you believe in democracy you serve when called whether you agree or not. Complain about it. Vote against it. Protest with a sign if you want. That I respect. Run to Canada (who won't take you today) and you're just a hypocritical coward.

On women: Women are not required to registered for selective service. All the talk otherwise is just people trying to make something out of nothing.

On special skills people: Yes they may get some special skills people. Anyone born after 1959 is eligible but I hate to say it few of us are "special". It would probably apply to doctors and some ex military people.

If you don't want the draft call your congressman and vote accordingly. If you don't want the war vote against it. If the majority don't vote your way suck it up and be thankful you live in a place where you at least had your say.

I don't agree with a lot of what the government does but last I heard I still have to pay my taxes, obey the laws, and sign up for selective service. If you don't like it I heard Australia still needs immigrants. Unfortunately they are a democracy also and will expect you to obey the law and live up to your responsibility as a citizen also.

By the way: The "No Blood for Oil" Germans have compulsory military service or enforced federal service for the conscientious objector. The all volunteer Army is a luxury we can have when we have enough young people willing to serve at the current pay structure. If you don't want to be drafted vote to double the volunteers pay. If you don't want to serve you better pay someone enough to do it for you.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 04:30 PM
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Not fighting in an illegal war, based on lies is not cowardice. Killing unarmed civilians is though.

As for Canada - first and foremost, you will find that many Canadian's could care less what the Government says. Remember our Cannibus laws were primarily struck down because most canadians weren't obey the rules anyway. Governments should respond to what the people want, not the other way around - and as such, you'll find that many Canadians with or without offical approval would welcome Americans that had a reason not to fight.

That doesn't make the American's cowards, it makes them compassionate human beings. Something that should be welcomed in any country.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 04:40 PM
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Not drafting women, what bull#. I'm 17, and to be sent to my death instead of someone else because they lack a penis? Old society discrimination? I'd escape the country to Mexico or some other nation before ever being fed into slaver to a killing machine.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 05:05 PM
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It would be nice to have a draft call up all the 18-30 year olds have them fill out their pager work at the induction center and watch all the ones that flee. The next week thank them for their service and send them home. Of course now we would know who all the cowards were and hopefully we won't get another Jimmy Carter who let's them back.

Noble speech is always a good cover for the cowardly spirit. No war is ever good enough for the coward. You don't want to be part of the killing machine feel free to volunteer as a combat medic. That was the old job of conscientious objectors. Only the true conscientious objector would choose that.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by antelope
It would be nice to have a draft call up all the 18-30 year olds have them fill out their pager work at the induction center and watch all the ones that flee. The next week thank them for their service and send them home. Of course now we would know who all the cowards were and hopefully we won't get another Jimmy Carter who let's them back.

Noble speech is always a good cover for the cowardly spirit. No war is ever good enough for the coward. You don't want to be part of the killing machine feel free to volunteer as a combat medic. That was the old job of conscientious objectors. Only the true conscientious objector would choose that.


Then I'd only be healing people so that they could go kill more people. + I still have the chance of dying. Believe it or not, I really don't want to die. Especially with my entire life ahead of me. Hell, if you reallyyyyyy don't value other people's life that much, and really aren't hypcrotic, go in front of the white house and scream "I HATE TERRORISM!" and kill yourself! Then you died for anti-terrorist efforts! For your country!

Honestly, if you die in a war you aren't a hero either. At the top of my head, I can't name a single person who has ever died in a war. If you die, you're just another statistic. I can't name any dead, but can name number: 58,000 Americans dead in Vietnam. Millions of Vietnameze civilians. Villages burned. Something like 17,000,000 Russians in WWII. I can pull up all of those.

I'd rather my country fall than myself die. What good is my country if I am dead? I feel no emotional connection to a group of 300,000,000 people more than I do for the rest of the 6,000,000,000 people in the world.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by antelope
It would be nice to have a draft call up all the 18-30 year olds have them fill out their pager work at the induction center and watch all the ones that flee. The next week thank them for their service and send them home. Of course now we would know who all the cowards were and hopefully we won't get another Jimmy Carter who let's them back.

Noble speech is always a good cover for the cowardly spirit. No war is ever good enough for the coward. You don't want to be part of the killing machine feel free to volunteer as a combat medic. That was the old job of conscientious objectors. Only the true conscientious objector would choose that.


I box in a ring, I have fought many a larger man. I am no coward, but I find generally speaking those that seem to love bloodlust have rarely dealt with it. There is no honour is fighting an illegal war, there is no heroism in killing unarmed people,, and there is nothing special about what you are saying. It is the same tired old crap that has kept humanity at each others throat.

But hey, after 25 years of Rambo movies, and Cammando movies, and such it is no wonder the average American hasn't got any real hold on what war really means. It is a game to them, and the calous thoughts in these threads underline that point effectively I think.

If you, or anyone want to fight - there are more than enough fights around. If you don't have enough people for the fight, then maybe you shouldn't be picking the fight huh?






posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
Yet Jungle, the draft causes more favoritism than anything. College kids dont have to go. Who has more kids in college? The rich or the severly poor?

The rich also tend to have ties that can exclude thier kids from the draft.

Look at the only example we have regarding drafts and unpopular wars in this era: Vietnam. Try to comvince just one person, just one, that Vietnam wasnt a war fought by poor American families kids.

If every kid that was called up in a draft went, then I would agree with you. The issue is, not all go that are called. And the rich ones have the advantage.

[edit on 13-6-2005 by skippytjc]


Actually for Veitnam, college kids were seriously impacted. One of my professors discussed it with us. If you were going to law school you went into the military as a leiutenet. 80% of the Leuitenets in vietnam died. That why he switched to becoming a English Professor.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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You know that the draft is always on the table. Every male over eighteen should know that. I have been saying ever since 9/11 that we could only rely in the Reserves and the Guard for so long. These forces were never really designed to carry the burden they have been called upon to carry for so long in this war. Most units have performed admirably; others have become infamous for their lack of professionalism.

Even if the draft is instituted, I really feel that it is not going to be so burdensome as it was during the war in Vietnam. The draft alone will be enough to convince many that they need to serve voluntarily. This effect will benefit the Air Force, the Navy and the Marine Corps most, although, currently the Marine Corps is the only one of those who is missing its quotas.

The draft will make up the remaining and most of those will go to the Army. Unless massive war breaks out, I don't see the numbers of draftees being so large that it will show up on the radar screen as much more than a philosophical debate.

[edit on 05/6/13 by GradyPhilpott]



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