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Originally posted by Shadow88
I vividly remember being told that when same poles were forcebly connected (aka pushed together) for a while that they lose magnicity.
It happened after i took out a box of magnets at college(the old ones painted red and blue), they had all been stacked the same colour ends, not blue, red, blue, red etc as they should have been.
After being stored like that for only a short time they were basically worthless as all the magnetic force was diminished.
For centuries, inventors have been claiming to come up with magnetic motor designs that use nothing more than the power of permanent magnets for the motive force; and for the same amount of time, mainstream science has responded that this is impossible. "It has been proven mathematically that no combination of permanent magnets in any arrangement will generate power." [1]
History tells us that what has been proven in many people's back yards and garages does not always coincide with mathematics of the day.
What I'm thinking, basically, is just look at the supposedly working design, see if we can duplicate it, then make it better...
Originally posted by Shadow88
What I'm thinking, basically, is just look at the supposedly working design, see if we can duplicate it, then make it better...
Um, because thats stealing??? In order for you not to get sued by the original manufacturer, you have to have proof that, while your design is similar (granted yes they all are similar, working on the same principles), you have to have developed yourown similar yet unique designs from scratch. Otherwise you dont have much to stand on. Which is why have developed myown design from scratch.
Halfway through research i did notice that mine looked asthetically (visually) similar to perendev. But then i noticed that perendevs is similar to the next, and the next, and the next, so its not a problem. I put in the research , its unique, so its totally mine.
Originally posted by Shadow88
Um, because thats stealing???
Originally posted by postings
Isn't it stealing if you plan to sell it though?
Originally posted by Earthscum
Not sure if these sites have been mentioned yet or not... don't really feel like going through it all again, and just in case anyone has just skipped ahead and they were posted, whatever...
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Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production in Europe
But seriously... a permanent magnet motor? The magnetic field is conservative (by the definition) so any closed path will have a net zero energy gain. No amount of whining about undiscovered principles will change that fact, unless you're willing to rewrite the entirety of the past 300 years of calculus. In that case, good luck to you.
Originally posted by Shadow88
An unbalanced force on an object effects it, whether to slow it down or cause motion, thats fact. So As there is an object "emitting" force, and an oject that is mobile, it WILL move.
The more powerful the magnet (aka and its force), the faster in this case it will spin.
Also we wouldnt be breaking any laws. We would technically be putting "fuel" in...
we just need to expand our definitions of what we class as fuel.
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by postings
Isn't it stealing if you plan to sell it though?
No. That's an urban legend. You've still violated patent and copyright protection.
Originally posted by SilentFrog
To be fair, I'm a physics major at a large US university, so I guess I'm part of the "Establishment".
But seriously... a permanent magnet motor? The magnetic field is conservative (by the definition) so any closed path will have a net zero energy gain. No amount of whining about undiscovered principles will change that fact, unless you're willing to rewrite the entirety of the past 300 years of calculus. In that case, good luck to you.
Originally posted by postingsHow would this entire discussion change if someone was able to use shielding in such a way that there is only repulsion, and little if no attraction. I know it is possible to shield magnets, so maybe this is where our efforts would best be concentrated.
quote: The more powerful the magnet (aka and its force), the faster in this case it will spin.
This is just like saying the more powerful gravity is the more the ball will bounce, which is obviously not true.
but with each "click" as one magnet goes past an opposing magnet.....
Eventually it will lose all the potential energy it started with and stop.
Just like there is no possible arrangement of ball and surface that will make the ball bounce for ever
I'm afraid you would be breaking physical laws as we know them, and technically you wouldn't be putting a fuel in. Magnetism is no more a fuel than gravity is.
Originally posted by Shadow88
The reason a ball stops bouncing is because it is being attracted to gravity, and each time it bounces, and repels the centre of gravity it loses its potential energy therefore having less and less power to repel back up
You don't think these magnets touch each other do you?
Eventually it will lose all the potential energy it started with and stop.
While a reasonable (and very astute)assumption to make...
i have already realised that yes, once the magnetic forces balance themselves out, the device would stop. This is why you position the magnets out of sync. This way, the majority of the fields shall be unbalanced at any time, forcing NPI continuous repulsion.
This i know. But people, one thing you must get your heads around if you want to continue with this, is in this case you have to view the magnets as if they were a fuel. Imagine uranium for example. We can use that as fuel in so many words. It has a half-life. Whilst it does emit radiation it will eventually deplete itself. Just think of a magnet like a fuel, just one that we havent been able to successfully tap, with a half-life of about 25 - 100 years I will have to find out the exact half life of an average magnet
Ok people must stop putting gravity and magnetism in the same basket. Theyre not the same things. Gravity is "a force of attraction between massive particles". Magnetism "is one of the phenomena by which materials exert an attractive or repulsive force"
We cannot use Gravity for fuel, as it does not have repulsive propeties, therefore we cannot use basic laws of physics to cause any motion except to a single point, to create to kinetic energy (aka put them on a ring and axis and make them spin around), that we can finally utilise to create electricity. We can, with Magnetism.
Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Haven't you thought that as magnets both attract and repel that this would balance itself out....?
This is why eletric motors must use a current to flip the polarity of an electromagnet and keep the device turning.
What you have just said is that gravity is "a force of attraction" and magnetism is "a force of attraction or repulsion". That is they are both forces.
Haven't you thought that as magnets both attract and repel that this would balance itself out....?