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uss scorpion and uss threasher

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posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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It's Golf II actually.

The evidence points to them being ordered to launch the missile. It's thin, but it's there.

As for the Scorpion, the Golf could have been laying doggo waiting for her to go overhead, then ambushed her. Scorpion never would have known that she was there, if she was sitting there barely maneuvering, just holding depth.




posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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thanks for correcting my spelling. I also spell grey gray sometimes.

She could have been ambushed for sure. Still not sure why the speztnatz would want to hijack a sub and launch it's missiles.

Heres a real question although off topic from the scorpion. alternate propulsion and power supply for subs. wouldn't our satellites be able to detect the radiation from space on a moving nuclear reactor. also wouldn't MHD create a magnetic signature readable from just about any instrument. We're never allowed to see the propulsor on our modern subs. it's usually covered with a tarp in most photos. Sure they still have propellers but maybe they have more than a nuclear reactor with some batteries on board.

What do you think the US is doing to combat the rising technological ability to detect things like nuclear reactors, radiation and magnetic signatures. any speculations as to what they are using for power in these subs and on how they are making them more stealthy



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 01:27 AM
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Look at the photos of the Scorpions sail, the back corner is missing. It looks like it was blasted away. At first, Navy photos of it were missing, as it was a mosiac photo. But now, eyeball that sail, looks like something struck it there, its bent inward towards the front of it.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 02:24 PM
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I would like to offer a few observations after reviewing the postings here. I worked at Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics for 19.5 years. They build nuclear subs there.I spent several years in the trades and when I finished my engineering degree (nights) the remaining time in engineering. The Thresher theory about failed pipe joints was for silver brazing, not welded pipe joints. Back in those days they used brazed joints in sea water systems and they did not perform UTs on completed brazed joints to ensure 100% bond intregrity of the completed joint. Subesequent to the Thresher incident, brazed joints were no longer used in sea water service and SUBSAFE was established which did many things including improving silver brazing with the use of silver consumable insert rings for better joint adhesion. Anyhow, the threory was that as they (Thresher) were progressing down below 400 ft., as is the practice following overhaul or initial sea trials to dive the ship in increments and validate hull intregrity all the way down to test depth. As they progressed, a sil-brazed joint let go in the engine room and sprayed the main electrical buses shorting them out and causing a reactor scram. Flooding casualty protocall is to power the ship to the surface, but with no power due to the reactor scram, the only alternative was to blow main ballast tanks. The problem back then was the dew point of the compressed air in the high pressure bottles was not controlled like today (typically -25 to -40 deg.F) This resulted in the high pressure lines freezing and stopping the emergency blow of the main ballast tanks to surface the boat. That was the last thing the ship could do with no power and no emergency ballast blow system available. The result was, she sunk. I believe this was the case, because of the changes that the SUBSAFE program instituted, like spray proof cabinets, material certs for all hull connected valves and materials (chemicals and physicals) and the extensive NDT on all welds and brazed joints in critcal systems. It all adds up to the Thresher incident.
I've read the SCORPION DOWN, Ed Offley's account of the loss of the Scorpion and I'm still out on the jury. I do think the navy knows more than they are letting on and with all the photo + SOSUS evidence available that a conclusive determination can be made and maybe Offley is on to somthing. I'm just not totally convinced.
Regarding TIGER TEAMS - these are nothing more than a cross section of trades men sent to work on a tight schedule SHIPALT or PSA or overhaul with the idea being the better tradesmen doing everything, will get the job done sooner. No special forces stuff here I'm afraid.



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