posted on Jun, 18 2005 @ 06:49 AM
Originally posted by cybertroy
..... But I've seen people improve and overcome mental things. Not one person is "locked" into being gay. Of course that is a persons choice. I
can't necessarily say it's a good choice, but the person's choice nonetheless.
Where's the evidence to support this? Again, this is conjecture - because we cannot prove either way whether being gay is a mental process, a
physical process (genetic), neither, or both.
Also, one point I was making is that things which are mental and spiritual in nature are being wrongly classified as an unchangeable genetic thing. I
am separating the mind and spirit from the body.
Which things? We already know that certain mental conditions do have a familial/hereditary base wherein some symptoms can be controlled....not
eradicated, but controlled. How does this process fit into your theory? What of these conditions which have a base in both the physical and mental
aspects of humanity?
And I am saying that man can change. It's terrible that a shrink tells you that you are an Alcoholic, or an Anorexic, or "whatever" for life. My
dad was a daily drunken alcoholic years ago. Is he an alcoholic today, no! He changed. If he doesn't drink and hasn't reverted back at any time
then he is not an alcoholic. Would you like it if someone labeled you as "stupid" and said there is nothing you can do about it. If you take the
"label" to heart, then that's a lifetime of being "stupid." Imagine what that label would do to a person's self esteem.
I think you're misunderstanding the point of such forms of labelling. "Alcoholism" defines a process as well as a state of mind - and there's a
physical component involved that you're not addressing. The fact that he had a physical addiction years ago doesn't change because he hasn't had
a drink in however many years. The addiction might well still be present; it just hasn't been acted upon. Do you have proof that if your father
started to drink once a day, it wouldn't lead back into the same physical addiction, too? No, of course not. Again though, perhaps more
importantly, it's not generally advised to lump together all "mental conditions" in this way, simply because many do indeed have a basis in
physiology - and that's often the part we can't change
Whilst people can indeed change their habits - we often cannot change the physiological base of many conditions which lead to certain habits. The use
of labels such as "alcoholic" are less about attacking the patient's self esteem than they are about reassuring the patient that his condition has
physical processes attached, and that these are often not in his control
Your sentiment though actually does more to support the theory of a physiologically based aspect to homosexuality than if it were a purely mental
process....by use of your own alcoholism analogy.
It's just not as simple as deciding a certain condition is only
a mental process - we've seen that many are not. Moreover, unless/until
there is evidence to support either, it's perhaps unfair to judge homosexuality as being such an obvious "choice with no physiological aspect',
when there's no basis for such a supposition.