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Topic started on 12-6-2005 @ 05:18 AM by Stealth Spy
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 05:25 AM by djohnsto77
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I did an ATSNN piece on this here: NEWS: French Fighter Jets Forced to Land in New
Jersey
The fighters did not have clearance to land at a U.S. base and it was not an emergency situation because there was another airport the planes
could safely reach, which they did and landed safely.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 05:30 AM by Stealth Spy
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 05:35 AM by Stealth Spy
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here's a pic. I pity the French 
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The jets were - Super Entendard small attack aircrafts and the carrier was The Charles de Gaulle and they were particapiting in an exercise with the
US navy.
i suppose the US is not a trustworthy nation in such things 
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 06:53 AM by W4rl0rD
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That just isn't right... The airbases were 100% operational and ready yet they wouldn't let an ALLY's plane land at there...
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 07:22 AM by Stealth Spy
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Yeah, like the article points out the USA is only a "fair weather friend"
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 08:03 AM by American Mad Man
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France is not an Ally.
They aren't part of NATO, and they always do the best they can to undermine us.
No way should we let them land at our military bases when we can send them to a civ one.
We found a more suitable place for them, and thats all that matters.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 08:06 AM by djohnsto77
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France is a NATO ally, but still our military bases aren't open for any plane, even one belonging to an allied military force, to land without
any notice or clearance. Like I said several times, if it was a life-or-death situation, they would have been allowed to land, but since an alternate
airport was available where they could land, they were redirected there. There's nothing unusual about this. 
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 08:21 AM by Stealth Spy
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...potentially life-threatening --breach of basic air etiquette by the U.S. military.. 
How disgusting
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 10:36 AM by gooseuk
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Greetings,
I apologise, but I also find this quite sickening in the way that the pilots were treated. I have to say that by potenially risking a number of
foreign aircrews lifes based on a stereotypical view of the French and their view on the war, its no reason to risk service members lives.
Its a common code of practice, or if you will a "Unwritten Rule" where foreign military aircraft should be directed towards a military airfield if
they are humanly possible, if not they will land at the nearest civvie airfield.
The reason is simple, if the military aircraft are carrying weapons, it is to reduce the risk to civvies in the area, not to mention the possible
secuirty risks that landing fully armed combat aircraft at a civvie airfield is not to go unmentioned.
I am farely surprised at this to say the least.
- Phil
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:14 AM by cavscout
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When did it become the responsibility of the United States to harbor French planes? Maybe next time they decide to take to the air, they should take
better care to ensure the safety of their pilots. A failure to plan on their part does not constitute an emergency on ours. I am glad no American tax
dollars were wasted because of the stupidity of a nation that is openly hostile to us in order to cover for their own immoral behavior.
BTW, what are the French wasting money on an air force (or any military forces) for? We all know they will never use them, unless to deliver care
packages to their enemy before they surrender without a fight.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:18 AM by jetsetter
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Ok people, lets stop making stupid statements for one second and hear the truth.
Trust me on this one, I work at at a military air base that I run and manage myself. Hence, I am a United States Air Force Airfield Manager....
The main and only possible reason why these French aircraft weren't given the persmission to land at a DoD/Military Installation (McGuire Air Force
Base, NJ) is the lack of a proper landing permit number. All aircraft under all DoD/Military Installations have a special landing permit number that
isn't just given out for free, but under certain basis of security. Any aircraft not having this special landing permit number at any particular FAA
Owned Airport/DoD Installation will not have the go-ahead to land if their situation doesn't fit certain emergency criteria. Indeed they were low on
fuel and weather was bad, but if the emergency wasn't life or death, which it wasn't, then landing at a DoD/Military would be the last possible
place for such aircraft to land. Especially since they are French (foreign aircraft), regardless of the peace they hold through any air show, there
are always certain guidlines/perameters that exist on a DoD/Military airfield that will prevent an aircraft from landing. All in all, their reason
(low on fuel, mildly bad weather) for wanting to land at a military base wasn't credable enough.
There are military procedures that you guys have no idea about. I suggest you inform yourself before making statements that make you look the
fool.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:19 AM by W4rl0rD
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Thats just sickening. How would you feel if some a hijacked American civillian plane low on fuel was not cleared to land at a foriegn airport just
because "they should take better care to ensure their own safety. A failure to plan on their part does not constitute an emergency on ours"
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:21 AM by jetsetter
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Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Thats just sickening. How would you feel if some a hijacked American civillian plane low on fuel was not cleared to land at a foriegn airport just
because "they should take better care to ensure their own safety. A failure to plan on their part does not constitute an emergency on ours"
That is a different situation, a much different situation. Read "civilian".
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:24 AM by W4rl0rD
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Fine, imagine if a US fighter was under those circumstances. I am sure many of your arguments would change tremendously. If not for the civillian
airport, it could very well be blown into an international situation, if the french pilots ditched in the sea or ejected. And also, even if it lacked
the required procedures, the Airbase was 100% ready for a landing like that. The US should be flexible enough to accomodate this type of
situations.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:26 AM by jetsetter
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Do you know the procedures for other countries? Do you know the rules? I don't think so.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:28 AM by W4rl0rD
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I can safely say that they are similar. But, in a case like this, the US airbase should be flexible enough to warrant a landing there.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:28 AM by djohnsto77
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Originally posted by W4rl0rD
If not for the civillian airport
That's the point! The civilian airport was there and they were able to land safely! If it was a life-or-death situation and the
alternate airport wasn't there, any airplane could land at a military base but this was not such a situation and they were directed to a nearby
airport where they landed safely...sheesh.
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:28 AM by xmotex
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Petty and childish, but what do you expect from neocons?
The French ough to pull out of Afghanistan to return the "screw you."
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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 11:45 AM by jetsetter
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I am amazed with the ignorance. Go to a real military discussion board and see how smart you think you are.
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