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Battle lines drawn at 2005 Paris Airshow

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posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 06:02 AM
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Battle Lines Drawn Between Aero Giants at Paris Show

By TIM HEPHER, REUTERS, PARIS


"The world’s biggest jetliner, the brand-new Airbus A380, is the undisputed star of the Paris Air Show next week, but celebrations may be blown off course by a trade spat with Boeing over two jets that have yet to be built."

"Some suspect Boeing of putting pressure on Airbus to delay the A350 in order to build unstoppable momentum for sales of its 787 Dreamliner."

"Airbus last week delayed the next phase of the A350 by about three months to September while it revamps the design to match the 787’s fuel-efficient technology."

"In Europe, relatively flat defense spending has encouraged talk of a second wave of restructuring following an ambitious cross-border merger that created Franco-German-led EADS in 2000."

"No European nation can now keep pace with technological change in the US, especially in the numbers of platforms and the way they are linked together," said Neil Hampson, an aerospace industry specialist and partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers."

"The superpower is getting more super and others are deciding they can’t fight a major engagement on their own any more. The smaller nations are trying to figure out a role."

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I read somewhere that the U.S will most likely win the subsidies battle. By refusing to buy EADS weapon systems if the EU keeps giving subsidies to Airbus (EADS).




posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 06:07 AM
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Humnph....I still want to see Flankers and Fulcrums doing cobras and kublits... A380 going to be the star of the show? For once I would like to see it challenging the An-225 to see if they can pull off a cobra



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by NWguy83
Battle Lines Drawn Between Aero Giants at Paris Show

By TIM HEPHER, REUTERS, PARIS


"No European nation can now keep pace with technological change in the US, especially in the numbers of platforms and the way they are linked together," said Neil Hampson, an aerospace industry specialist and partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers."

"The superpower is getting more super and others are deciding they can’t fight a major engagement on their own any more. The smaller nations are trying to figure out a role."

Entire Article

That's an interesting statement - I wonder what the opinion of this statement is from participants of the thread entitled: "USAF losing the Edge"?
It looks like an expert in the field just poo poo'ed all over the USAF losing the edge believers.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 10:07 AM
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I maybe wrong but I thought that thread was talking about readiness and training rather than equipment? I don't think there can be any doubt that US equipment, in the main, remains way out in front of everyone else at this time.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by bios

Originally posted by NWguy83
Battle Lines Drawn Between Aero Giants at Paris Show

By TIM HEPHER, REUTERS, PARIS


"No European nation can now keep pace with technological change in the US, especially in the numbers of platforms and the way they are linked together," said Neil Hampson, an aerospace industry specialist and partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers."

"The superpower is getting more super and others are deciding they can’t fight a major engagement on their own any more. The smaller nations are trying to figure out a role."

Entire Article

That's an interesting statement - I wonder what the opinion of this statement is from participants of the thread entitled: "USAF losing the Edge"?
It looks like an expert in the field just poo poo'ed all over the USAF losing the edge believers.


You seem to have confused yourself Bios, the purpose of the thread that I started, titled "USAF Losing the Edge" was to do with reduced training and reducing in actual hours in the cockpit, not on the technology that they use, develop or purchase.

- Phil



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 04:31 AM
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I read somewhere that the U.S will most likely win the subsidies battle. By refusing to buy EADS weapon systems if the EU keeps giving subsidies to Airbus (EADS).




While i admit i am not upto date on current or future US plans. Could anyone actually tell me how many EADS weapons systems the US currently has or is likely to buy in the near future?????? Cant see this one hurting either side all that much.



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 12:56 PM
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The subsidies battle is far from over, I don't think most people in EU nations would build a model aircraft unless their gov't paid half the cost.


All joking aside, I think the subsidies are silly. EU competition should come from technology not just prices. I've never heard of the U.S. gov't showing restraint when it comes to cost of new "goodies", airlines either for that matter. Superior products should be the focus in the multi-nation EU deals, not jealousy over which nation gets how much of the manufacturing and which nations pay how much for development. It's silly to me, sorry.



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by looking4truth
I think the subsidies are silly. EU competition should come from technology not just prices.


- How come you just ignore the subsidies the US gov has paid out to it's airline and aero-industry?

The whole point about this dispute is that there are grounds for complaint on each side (otherwise the WTO would have dismissed the original motions outright).



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

Originally posted by looking4truth
I think the subsidies are silly. EU competition should come from technology not just prices.


- How come you just ignore the subsidies the US gov has paid out to it's airline and aero-industry?

The whole point about this dispute is that there are grounds for complaint on each side (otherwise the WTO would have dismissed the original motions outright).


From what I have read and understand it goes like this.

U.S subsidies must be paid back in full even if a new aircraft doesn't sell well. But U.S aircraft companies get to benefit from military and government R&D.

EU subsidies only have to be paid back in full if a new aircraft sells well. And I think EU gives more subsidies per plane than the US.




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