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posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 04:09 PM
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This topic has been haunting people for awhile

My question is why did the jews kill christ and then got all quite about it
and what were the reaction of christains about this ? and why do they get all piss*d about it when this toppic comes up.

you my remember the movie the "Passion" about christ there was allot of jews in isereal getting prity Piss*d about it.

Is this the main cause of the Jews being massacard in the world why do Jews prefer not to speak or preach about there religion.

here are some sources


"Perhaps you have heard the furor surrounding Mel Gibson’s movie “The Passion,” scheduled for release in March 2004. The official Web site states: “Passion is a vivid depiction of the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ’s life” (Passion Web site). Special emphasis is placed on the physical suffering Christ endured. Throughout the film, the language spoken is the first-century Jewish language, Aramaic, except when the Romans speak their language, i.e., Latin (Novak, 2003). Gibson, who both produced and directed the film, sank $25 million of his own money into the venture.

The stir over the film stems from the role of the Jews in their involvement in Christ’s crucifixion. In fact, outcries of “anti-Semitism” have been vociferous, especially from representatives of the Anti-Defamation League. Their contention is that Jews are depicted in the film as “bloodthirsty, sadistic, money-hungry enemies of God” who are portrayed as “the ones responsible for the decision to crucify Jesus” (as quoted in Hudson, 2003; cf. Zoll, 2003). The fear is that the film will fuel hatred and bigotry against Jews. A committee of nine Jewish and Catholic scholars unanimously found the film to project a uniformly negative picture of Jews (“ADL and Mel…”). The Vatican has avoided offering an endorsement of the film by declining to make an official statement for the time being (“Vatican Has Not…”; cf. “Mel Gibson’s…”). This action is to be expected in view of the conciliatory tone manifested by Vatican II (Abbott, 1955, pp. 663-667). Even Twentieth Century Fox has decided not to participate in the distribution of the film (“20th Decides…”; cf. “Legislator Tries…”; O’Reilly…”).


REFERENCES

Abbott, Walter, ed. (1966), The Documents of Vatican II (New York, NY: America Press).

“ADL and Mel Gibson’s ‘The Passion,’ ” [On-line], URL: www.adl.org...

Hudson, Deal (2003), “The Gospel according to Braveheart,” The Spectator, [On-line], URL: www.spectator.co.uk....

“Legislator Tries to Censor Mel Gibson’s ‘The Passion,’ ” [On-line], URL: www.newsmax.com....

“Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion’ Makes Waves,” [On-line], URL: www.cbsnews.com....

Novak, Michael (2003), “Passion Play,” The Weekly Standard, [On-line], URL: www.weeklystandard.com....

“O’Reilly: Elite Media out to Destroy Mel Gibson,” [On-line], URL: www.newsmax.com....

Passion Web site, [On-line], URL: www.passion-movie.com....

“20th Decides Against Distributing Gibson’s ‘The Passion,’ ” [On-line], URL: www.imdb.com....

“Vatican Has Not Taken A Position on Gibson’s Film ‘The Passion,’ Top Cardinal Assures ADL,” [On-line], URL: www.adl.org....

Zoll, Rachel (2003), “Jewish Civil Rights Leader Says Actor Mel Gibson Espouses Anti-Semitic Views,” [On-line], URL: www.sfgate.com.../news/archive/2003/09/19/national1505EDT0626.DTL."

this source comes from www.apologeticspress.org...

Mod edit to fix all capped title.
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Edit: cut down huge copy-n-paste violation. 1-3 paragraphs and a direct link to source(s) will suffice. Also direct linked your links.

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posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 04:27 PM
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what does this have to do with the NWO??

please enlighten me



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Interseptor
This toppic is huanting people for awhile

My question is why did the jews kill christ and then got all quite about it
and what were the reaction of christains about this ? and why do they get all piss*d about it when this toppic comes up.

you my remember the movie the "Passion" about christ there was allot of jews in isereal getting prity Piss*d about it.

Is this the main cause of the Jews being massacard in the world why do Jews prefer not to speak or preach about there religion.

here are some sources

*SNIP the copy & paste*
www.apologeticspress.org...


Good Luck, and happy posting.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Interseptor
My question is why did the jews kill christ and then got all quite about it

Er, they didn't. Why don't you try reading something called 'the bible', its a book that talks about this jesus guy, who was killed by the romans ,for crimes against the roman state. What do you mean 'got quite about it'? What are they supposed to be talking about? Most jews probably had never even heard of jesus, he was pretty much a nobody at the time of this death.

A great many verses allude to the role played by the Jews, especially the leadership, in the death of Jesus

Because jesus was against the rule of jewish law, and kept talking about creating a new kingdom and destroying the old ones. And, agian, all they did was bring rather valid charges against this near-zealot and to the Romans.

Notice the people don't talk about how italians are cursed or evil and insidious for killing christ? Because its a race/ethnic issue, and one that people try to use the bible to support their bigoted /racist views. People tend to not loathe despise italians, but there are a lot of people that hate jews, because they are a minority and different. Thats why there's all the blather about 'the jews killed jesus' and such.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 02:00 PM
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The jews killed Christ but so did the gentiles. Everyone who has ever lived or will ever live is in one of these two groups. So that includes me and you and everyone else. Our sins caused Christ's death.

But Christ knew He would die for our sin before the foundation of the world, so He tells us not to blame others for His death. He tells us He volunteered to die for us so it was His plan, so there is no one to blame.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
The jews killed Christ but so did the gentiles. Everyone who has ever lived or will ever live is in one of these two groups. So that includes me and you and everyone else. Our sins caused Christ's death.

But Christ knew He would die for our sin before the foundation of the world, so He tells us not to blame others for His death. He tells us He volunteered to die for us so it was His plan, so there is no one to blame.


I would like to suggest that those interested in gaining a solid historical perspective on the crucifixion of Yeshua and those wishing to get the inside skinny on who did what to whom and why ... obtain and READ the following informative and enlightening books:

"Who Crucified Jesus?" by Solomon Zeitlin

"What Crucified Jesus? - Messianism, Pharisaism, & the Development of Christianity" by Ellis Rivkin

It also wouldn't hurt to obtain and READ the following in as much as it was Yeshua's attempts to advance the Kingdom of Heaven (i.e., the Rulership of G-d) via his Repentance-Kingdom Movement that brought him into conflict with the Powers-That-Were:

"Hidden Revolution: The Pharisee's Search for the Kingdom Within" by Ellis Rivkin

And for those ecumenical souls out there who don't wish to ruffle Jewish feathers with inflammatory and sweeping accusations ... I highly recommend they obtain and READ the following:

"What Christians Should Know About Jews and Judaism by Yechiel Eckstein

Who is wise? He who learns from all men.... Enough said.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by smadewell

I would like to suggest that those interested in gaining a solid historical perspective on the crucifixion of Yeshua and those wishing to get the inside skinny on who did what to whom and why ... obtain and READ the following informative and enlightening book

Who is wise? He who learns from all men.... Enough said.



I would like to suggest that those interested in gaining a solid historical perspective on the crucifixion of Jesus and those wishing to get the inside skinny on who did what to whom and why ... obtain and READ the following informative and enlightening book........it's called The Bible! The whole thing, OT and NT

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" (Prov. 1:7)

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom Psalm 111:10

The fear of the Lord is the start of wisdom Proverbs 9:10

By fear I mean To regard with awe, deference, and devotion revere, worship, venerate, adore,
These verbs mean to regard with the deepest respect, deference, and esteem. Revere suggests awe coupled with profound honor, acknowledging God for who He is.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Interseptor
My question is why did the jews kill christ and then got all quite about it

Most jews probably had never even heard of jesus, he was pretty much a nobody at the time of this death.


A great many verses allude to the role played by the Jews, especially the leadership, in the death of Jesus


Because jesus was against the rule of jewish law, and kept talking about creating a new kingdom and destroying the old ones. And, agian, all they did was bring rather valid charges against this near-zealot and to the Romans.


The above exchange is a classic example of how inflammatory and sweeping accusations against the Jewish people trigger remarks that are equally uninformed and without merit.

The historical man, Yeshua ben Yosef, was brought up in the Galilee where he doubtless fell under the influence of the proto-rabbinic Separatist (Pharisaic) sages from the School of Hillel and their associates among the Chasidim (Pious Ones) of that period.

Hillel served as the Nasi (President/Prince) of the Religious Sanhedrin of Seventy-One and his friend, Menachem the Essene, served as his Vice President. In circa 10 B.C.E., a heated debate took place over the Eighteen Measures, which dealt with "restrictions regarding contact with the Gentiles."

Hillel took a liberal stance on this issue, because he championed the plebeians, especially those in the Galilee, many of whom worked for Gentiles and would be economically hurt by these restrictive measures.

Shammai, on the other hand, championed the cause of the provincial landowners and patricians living in Judea and took a conservative stance on this issue and pushed for a greater separation between Jews and their "Gentile oppressors."

Shammai felt that Gentiles were inherently UNCLEAN and the only Gentiles they found acceptable were those willing to fully and immediately convert to their brand of proto-rabbinic Separatist Judaism. Hillel, on the other hand, did not feel that Gentiles were inherently UNCLEAN and his school was open to contact with Gentiles, whom they sought to win over by a softer approach.

So, the Shammaites "moved" certain Zealots to murder a number of Hillel's disciples, whom the people regarded to be "prophets", in as much as the School of Hillel had been seeking to revive the "school of prophets" mentioned in the Sacred Text. We find evidence for this event in the rabbinic literature as well as the gospels!

The result of this bloody action was that Menachem the Essene and his disciple (and not a few of what remained of Hillel's following) packed up and departed for Damascus. Shammai usurped the vacant office of Vice President and "allowed" Hillel to remain as a mere figure head, in as much as he was favored by the masses and was a descendant of King David, not unlike Yeshua, his kinsman in the Galilee, who was probably born around this time.

Understanding this religio-sociological and geo-political division in Pharisaism and the ensuing "Cold War" between the School of Hillel and the School of Shammai, which didn't end until some years after the Destruction of the Temple, is the key to understanding the historical man, Yeshua ben Yosef, and what he was attempting to accomplish, etc.

I would be more than willing to expound on this a little, if anyone is interested. Any takers? Anyone even bother to read this far?



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by smadewell

I would like to suggest that those interested in gaining a solid historical perspective on the crucifixion of Yeshua and those wishing to get the inside skinny on who did what to whom and why ... obtain and READ the following informative and enlightening book

Who is wise? He who learns from all men.... Enough said.


I would like to suggest that those interested in gaining a solid historical perspective on the crucifixion of Jesus and those wishing to get the inside skinny on who did what to whom and why ... obtain and READ the following informative and enlightening book........it's called The Bible! The whole thing, OT and NT.


Yes, dbrandt. I'm all too aware of your "the Bible or nothing" approach. Believe it or not, ... I too once took this very stance and derided anything that was "written by men".

What I came to realize was that reading these texts - especially if one restricts themselves to English translations - will only serve to yield thousands of different takes that will lead to thousands of different doctrines and beliefs. If you don't believe that, then just look at Christendom today and count the number of sects that have arisen over the millennia.

This is why I now advise others to read the "Biblical" texts in light of their proper historical, linguistic and cultural context. Further, because doing so necessitates having knowledge in a number of scholastic disciplines ... and since not everyone is a scholar ... I frequently recommend books that I have found to be accurate, informative, interesting and easy to read.

Imagine for a moment that all we knew of the American Civil War - whether by personal choice or via what the powers-that-be allowed us access to - were the letters authored by Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis. How limited in scope and how skewed and how riddled with holes would our knowledge of the Civil War be, if that were the case?

The same holds true for sticking exclusively to an English translation of the "Bible" for one's understanding of a time, culture and people we are so far removed from that it boggles the mind.



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 01:42 PM
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Yes! I am reading and I'd be grateful if you would please continue.

Thank you!

Al



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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To Nygdan




Er, they didn't. Why don't you try reading something called 'the bible', its a book that talks about this jesus guy, who was killed by the romans ,for crimes against the roman state. What do you mean 'got quite about it'? What are they supposed to be talking about? Most jews probably had never even heard of jesus, he was pretty much a nobody at the time of this death.


I thank you for your answer, yes I do read various texts about Jesus and how he was put on the cross but Yes I also know that it was the romans who put him there.

But the fact is remains why the romans even were there it was because of the Jewish king who asked rome to send fresh troops to Pelesine/Isereal how ever you call it to stop a rebellion of the jewish power struggle and thus a stop to a religion of christainity for breaking the hebrew law for helping the poor for healing the ill that is What JESUS did and also for kicking the idol sellers out od the temple. when jesus was asked if he were to have done treason in the country he said i am a Jew what that meant there can only be Jewish king but christ had said he aint a Jew that who ever wants the kingship can have it

this source is of Encarta

TRIAL AND CRUCIFIXION
© 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.




According to John (18:13-24), Jesus was brought after his arrest to Annas, the father-in-law of the high priest Caiaphas, for a preliminary examination. The synoptists make no mention of this incident: They report only that Jesus was taken to a meeting of the supreme council of the Jews, the Sanhedrin. At the council meeting, Caiaphas asked Jesus to declare whether he was “the Christ, the Son of God” (Matthew 26:63). Upon his affirmation (Mark 14:62), the council condemned Jesus to death for blasphemy.



this little statement just mentions that it was the Jews who had the final say of what christ is and should he be reconised and most important should he be given a death sentance.

look I have read lots text and this thread I produced is only because I want to see what new info or beter said what other opinions are to be said toward the death Of Christ I clearly want learn more other then books to see what people have to say about it by the way a book is written by writer one persons idea to reflect every bodies opinion !.

Please carry out your Healthy argument success.

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posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 10:05 PM
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Jews and the New Testament !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone listen, The Jews do not have the New Testament in there teaching, I think that Malachi is the last book they have, unless they have been adding more to there Book so to cover up the stance of the Sandedrin When Jesus was trying to teach to his own..

The Jewish leaders were scard of Jesus because people were listening to him ( You have to remember at that time in there History, They were Praying everyday for God to send someone that would lead then to victory over the Romans and get them out of there land) and when the Sandedrin found out that Jesus wasn't the worror that they had been Praying for, They got Very scared of him and his teachings..

The Sandedein were in charge of keeping the Jews in hand so that they could get along with the Romans, and there was Jesus there looking for the weak and sick and teaching love and tolerance, and looking for the only people that would listen to Him, and guess who it was, the poor dirty Gentile,,,,

And as time goes, The Sandedrin though that they had to get rid of him fast, but it had to be done were they looked as they had nothing with it, they had to get the Romans to do it....

The Sandedrin had the power to do away with him because he was a Jew, and that scarded them to, they had to make him something else so they would not be part of his Death....



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Interseptor
the romans even were there it was because of the Jewish king who asked rome to send fresh troops to Pelesine/Isereal how ever you call it to stop a rebellion of the jewish power struggle and thus a stop to a religion of christainity for breaking the hebrew law

The Romans had made Judea a province well before jesus was around.

this little statement just mentions that it was the Jews who had the final say of what christ is

The Romans did not care if jesus was an observant jew or not. He was not a roman citizen, he was a provincial, and they dealt with him according to their own resolve. He was a guy who ran around the wilds of the country talking about a new kingdom and destroying the old order, and they took him and executed him for that. The natives in power in Judea could have executed him if they wanted to, but instead they threw him to the romans and let them make their decision. Its absurd to suggest that the Jews are responsible for his death and the Italians are not.

jfdarby
The Jews do not have the New Testament in there teaching

This is something you are just finding out?

The Jewish leaders were scard of Jesus because people were listening to

Undoubdetly the jesus movement got bigger after his death. Yet they didn't do the same to the apostles. They let them leave and return to the country and evangelize and even hold a synods. If they were so concerned about it, they'd've all been crucified shortly thereafter.

and guess who it was, the poor dirty Gentile

Non-jews had practically nothing to do with the jesus movement, certainly not while jesus was around.

This is all part of the mythos to depict jews as dirty evil scum; "there's jesus, peaceful and kind, and those stinking filthy jew-bastards killed him, just because he was so sinless". Yeah, sure, they were so threatened by this great peaceful guy that they just had to destroy him, even tho they permited his accolytes to prostelytize throughout the country and build up a larger movement, which then started to include 'gentiles'. Its pathetic, and its clearly demonstrated by how the europeans/white Italians, even tho they took him, beat him, humiliated him, and then murdered him, are presented as completley stainless, Pilate even 'washes his hands", as if that somehow removes their guilt in the matter.



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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There is a lot to this story that does not add up - never mind that the gospel accounts don't even agree with each other on some of the details.

You might be interested in checking this thread: theory of the faked crucifixion

A lot of scholars provided some great info and theories. (No, I do not count myself as a scholar.)



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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This is all part of the mythos to depict jews as dirty evil scum; "there's jesus, peaceful and kind, and those stinking filthy jew-bastards killed him, just because he was so sinless". Yeah, sure, they were so threatened by this great peaceful guy that they just had to destroy him, even tho they permited his accolytes to prostelytize throughout the country and build up a larger movement, which then started to include 'gentiles'. Its pathetic, and its clearly demonstrated by how the europeans/white Italians, even tho they took him, beat him, humiliated him, and then murdered him, are presented as completley stainless, Pilate even 'washes his hands", as if that somehow removes their guilt in the matter.







The Sandedein !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry if you thought that I was saying that the Jews were the ones that sent Jesus to the cross..

But I will not say I'm Sorry to blame the Sandedein, They were the ones that learned to Hate Jesus and what he was doing..

Most Jews never got to meet Jesus but the ones that did, never thought Bad of him, But the Sandedeir is the one's that took him back to Pilate Twice while tring to get Rid of Him.....



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 08:01 PM
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I think that true Christians know that they don't have to look any further than the mirror to see who killed Christ. He gave his life up for lost souls such as you and I. The Jews, or actually the Jewish leadership, were instruments in His death, but not to blame. No, true Christians should only hold them-self accountable for this death.

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posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 08:15 PM
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Yes, I Hear you and agree, I have no problins with the Jews, They are Good people and also God"s chosen



posted on Jun, 15 2005 @ 09:21 PM
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I would also caution that there were so many Jewish sects in the Common Era that you cannot really apply a term like "the Jews" with any accuracy.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 04:36 AM
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This is Christs opinion on the matter,which is how i understand it.
Luke 20:1 to verse 20
hope everyone has a bible,it would be to much to copy and paste?
or there are some online bibles if anyone has`nt

As far as Mel Gibbsons movie The Passion i`m a passionate Christian but could`nt bring myself to watch it after hearing how graphic it was.I remember when i was about 10 and watching an Easter Movie on Christs life and crusifiction (which they dont show anymore,not allowed to offend other faiths).Anyway i was glued to the movie and understood Jesus was the hero of the show and was Gods Son but when he was whipped, beaten,spat on and ridiculed and nailed to the cross,i boiled inside and shouted YOUR GONNA GET IT NOW,lol thinking that God was going to kick some serious butt,but Christs words were the first words that made me realise that he is much more than i could imagine,``forgive them father for they know not what they do``,i cried out of respect for ages on those words.That planted a seed in me,that i did`nt know was there till i was 18 and became a born again Christian.



posted on Jun, 16 2005 @ 07:07 AM
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Why did the Jews kill Jesus Christ?

They didn't. If the Jews had killed him, Christians would be wearing stones around their necks and not crosses.


Is this the main cause of the Jews being massacard in the world why do Jews prefer not to speak or preach about there religion.

LMAO then why do Christians get slaughtered? Those missionaries are putting it all out there. Think of it like the movie Meet the Parents and the circle of trust that they talk about. For a while, there were Jewish missionaries going out to proselytize. People were dying. The rabbis sending them were too. Poof! End to Jewish proselytizing. We don't want outsiders coming in just like that.


If the New Testament is the verbally inspired Word of God, then it is an accurate and reliable report of the facts, and its depiction of the details surrounding the crucifixion are normative and final.

The final words of Jesus are different from gospel to gospel so it can't be that accurate and reliable.


A great many verses allude to the role played by the Jews, especially the leadership, in the death of Jesus. For some time prior to the crucifixion, the Jewish authorities were determined to oppose Jesus. This persecution was aimed at achieving His death:

This is funny. Just like Jesus commanded death to the Jews. Turnabout is fair play right?


Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him…. Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand (John 10:31-32,39, emp. added).

They should have. I mean after all, if they are going to be blamed for it, they should have done it. The thing is, didn't Jesus have to die for the sake of everyone? So why does it matter who killed him? If he had to go, he had to go.


What role did the Romans play in the death of Christ?

Taking care of some guy who committed a crime against Caesar.


Anti-Semitism is sinful and unchristian.

Whew! That's good to know.

Have you thanked a Jew or Roman today?





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