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Greatest U.S. conspiracy of all!

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posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 12:08 AM
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"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years [now 66 years], freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency. The problem of how a constitutional democracy reacts to great crises, however, far antedates the Great Depression. As a philosophical issue, its origins reach back to the Greek city-states and the Roman Republic. And, in the United States, actions taken by the Government in times of great crises have - from, at least, the Civil War - in important ways, shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency."


Lately, I've been googling words and phrases, trying to find internet sites who have the info that I've been trying to explain here at this board for years. Here's a good one, and it is relatively short, so that the average American can read it between their favorite sitcoms:


www.barefootsworld.net...

Maybe this doesn't make you mad, maybe you don't care, but if you're American, read it, anyway. That way, at least you can say you are aware.




posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 12:24 AM
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This a pretty long piece, but has great info. A lot should look familiar, as I've screamed about this stuff in the past....

www.wealth4freedom.com...

I believe I even used that same title for a thread! Conspiratorial and historical diggers think alike!

[edit on 10-6-2005 by Thomas Crowne]



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 01:11 AM
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But if you attempt to prove it you will most certianly end up in an unlawful jail. But jail all the same.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 01:30 AM
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I have always heard that there is quit a few people that don't pay taxes and get away with it. They actually took there cases to court and won.
I was at the bookstore just the other day and saw approximetly 7- 10 books about this.

Hope to hear more about this !

Truth



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 03:03 AM
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We are also supposed to still be surrendering our gold as well, to trade it in for Federal Reserve Notes, to my understanding it is still technically illegal to stockpile precious metal. I could be mistaken but I think that is still the way it works.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 03:13 AM
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I would like to say that I have not paid any taxes in the last 14 years. Now why the I.R.S. hasn't came after me I really don't know. But I believe it might have to do with the fact that I am able to show no income for those years. I'm not sure about this, but I still may have been entitled to a few deductions possibly.


[edit on 6/10/2005 by ASLTW]



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 03:47 AM
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“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security
interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”


Things like this ring too true the more I try to tackle the world on my own. Ever since I moved out of my parents house and started paying my own bills I've been smacked around and thrown back into debt. Everytime I catch a break and begin to actually save money, something happens.

This is why me and my wife are both going to college, both working full time jobs, and soon, we'll be leaving this country. We're both of the age of 25, and have sacrificed just about everything in our lives just to save money and secure some kind of future only for the sake that our kids dont have to live this horrible life of debt.

Every blind kid out there chants the American slogans of how great the USA is.. well, have a look around.. do some homework and you'll see just how miserable USA is compared to other countries.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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I know a handful of folks who aren't paying "voluntary" taxes anymore, and they aren't in a jail, whether it be a lawful one or an unlawful one. Interesting, Softwareman, that you thought of nothing but individual income tax. It goes a lot deeper than that. As a matter of fact, it is my position that the income tax, while despicible, is the smallest of concerns when it comes to the state of the former republic.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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Why do we continue to pay taxes on items that were bought and sold multiple of times ? Like autos for example. I by a brand new car in my name and pay it off completeley. The Loan, Interet, Tax etc......

Then 5 years later I decide to sell this same car and the new buyer has to pay the taxes again on this vehicle.

If he decides to sell to another then they have to pay taxes on this car a third time. Seems like the state is is holding out there hand where it doesn't belong.

Truth





posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Why do we continue to pay taxes on items that were bought and sold multiple of times ? Like autos for example. I by a brand new car in my name and pay it off completeley. The Loan, Interet, Tax etc......

Then 5 years later I decide to sell this same car and the new buyer has to pay the taxes again on this vehicle.

If he decides to sell to another then they have to pay taxes on this car a third time. Seems like the state is is holding out there hand where it doesn't belong.

Truth




I'm American currently living in Canada and for the first time I experienced what they call a land transfer tax. This tax, on average is roughly $3000, where I must pay a tax to obtain the rights/property which belong to the existing owner. If the existing owner then purchases a brand new home they by-bass this standard taxable fee, otherwise they must pay the land transfer tax on the resale home that they purchase. It's like a domino tax effect involving musical chairs, or in this case re-estate..

Confused yet?..
hehe



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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THE MODUS OPERANDI OF MANY AMERICANS IS TO LIVE LIKE THE JONENESES. WE SEE A NEW CAR, WE BUY IT, IT'S THE CURRENT MARKET, OF LIVING FOR THE NOW, AND NOT , PRESERVING FOR , THE FUTURE.. that's the fallacy of the whole situation , of course there will be mountains of debts, there will be credit card intrests to pay for, car insuarance, the latest fads, and of course a garbage of entertainment sucking at society's core. Bless



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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There's another site here: www.gemworld.com... that appears to echo some of those ideas.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 05:30 PM
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you're becoming my new hero, thomas. you're absolutely right about this conspiracy, IMO.
'legal'/financial slavery is the name of the game.
the people need to get control of these coniving bastards. JFK tried. lincoln tried.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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Get together with a group of armed men, and don't pay them. Then watch CNN demonize you all into child porn lovers and drug induced cultists, while the rest of the country sits back and condemns you for fighting for their freedom.....

It is going to take a huge group action to do anything...



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 11:54 PM
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Passer By, the hardest thing is to get people to understand how things should be. Once you can get that into their minds, you have a chance of getting them to understand why things have changed, and who changed them.

These people not only own America, but control also the Western World. As a matter of fact, I believe the code word is Democracy, as Mr. Johnston's link pointed out in a way.

Before I get slugged from 25 different directions, let me say that I believe that, as far as humaneness goes, freeing the Iraqi people from the horrors of Hussein was an honorable act, and I believe that is the position of the typical American. Remember, though, the typical American does not call the shots - those who control those in power do. Now, what are the goals of the Powers That Are? To spread Democracy throughout the Middle East! Why? Because those who rule in the Middle East, other than maybe the House of Saud, are not in bed with those who control the West!
What I am saying is, I don't believe that the American people's perceived goals in the Middle East coincide with those who are using us.

This problem is not confined to the U.S.



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 07:21 AM
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And add to that the contempt for right and it gets nasty/scary/frightening ;
www.gophypocrites.com...
The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote in America. However, O'Connor's contempt for women who vote didn't stop her from running for office and seeking the votes of, well, women.

and then add irrefutable proof that the road to war in Iraq was paved, with absolute intent, with lies and deceit and misdirection and fraud.
www.alternet.org...
This about the war but it most likely also apply to the economy and social security and anything else from the W. H.

EDIT;
I'm not sure about that not paying taxes thing. The IRS used to go after people to the point where in the 1980's people were committing suicide to free their families. It was quite the scandal and the IRS is trying to be more user friendly ;
groups.msn.com...


[edit on 11-6-2005 by Ghaele]



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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Good lawyering will get you anything you want!
I take issue with some of the things stated in T.C.'s link, but not the general premise that the constitution is what the powers that be decide it means.
From John Marshall's Marbury v. Madison power grab for the Supreme Court to FDR's court-packing feint allowing the New Dealers to say screw the states, we are getting farther and farther from the founders' vision.
Trouble is, too many Republicans and ALL Demomarxicrats are in love with the beast they have created.
Besides, they framers were a bunch of old white guys who didn't understand sharing the wealth.



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 11:54 PM
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Good lawyering will get you as far as the system wants you to get.

What will get you in better position is to unplug from their jurisdiction and then argue procedure, while being very careful not to travers into their jurisdiction (Corporate U.S. jurisdiction).



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 12:00 AM
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Screw jurisdiction.

Jurisdiction relies 100% on the law.

Change the law. They can mess with jurisdiction, but take the law and give it back to the people and your problem solves itself.

Just sayin'...



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Screw jurisdiction.

Jurisdiction relies 100% on the law.

Change the law. They can mess with jurisdiction, but take the law and give it back to the people and your problem solves itself.

Just sayin'...


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