Originally posted by TruthisoutthereMr- fixit I do respect your thoughts and values as any other person and individual. Like I have said
over and over through-out the many threads. It's not my words but Gods words that convict the heart. I started off very humble and reserved till I
got jumped on by about 4 Masons on these threads. That's ok-We are here to discuss. But as soon as THEY STARTED WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS- I got
defensive as would anyone.
Do you not see or agree that accusing a fellow Christian of being a Satan worshipper and worse is not a personal attack?
This is a very high emotional topic with good reason. As a Christian you should know that. Do you think as a christian that Salavation is an
Of course it's an issue.
That is what we are discussing. You cannot be a christian and pray to a gog or supreme being that incapsules all gods. (This is called
paganism) If you were not aware.
But if I pray to the same God you pray to then that makes us both Christians? For the record when I kneel and pray it is to the EXACT same God you
But as a christian I would expect you and others to know this. But maybe you never new Christ ? I am not judjing, but going to church and
praying to (a god ) DOES NOT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN. I am sorry but that is what the Word Of God Says ! Not Me.
And once again we agree.
As a matter of fact I have a clear view of christianity from following the nature of God and Christ. Accepting Him as my personal savior and NO
OTHER ! Being Babtized by water and by spirit and I pray, walk, talk and sing in the spirit EVERYDAY as God expects us too.
What makes a christian in your view and Gods view ?
Once again we agree, you receive no argument from here. I to was babtized by water and by spirit, not only in one church but two. I have been babtized
"in the name of the father, of the son and the holy spirit" in a Southern Babtist church and also "in the name of Jesus" in a Pentecostal church.
So you see your walk with God closely resembles mine.
Since you are new here and decided to slam me personally without even confronting me in a christian way-That it is also in the Word of God (
The ways of confronting a christian about sin ) Not witnessing as you are misunderstanding. Please dont take the Word of God out of context and try to
turn them around on a TRUE CHRISTIAN. It doesn't work. God had already placed a God Ordained law in affect to protect HIS CHILDREN.
I apologize if you feel I confronted you in a "non-Christian" way but I was offended by the blather you was spewing and it offended me in a
"non-Christian" way. I feel I am as true a Christian as you my friend.
Please understand that many call themselves christians and are not.
You can either agree or disagree with me. But unfortunetly you CANNOT disagree with Gods word if you call yourself a christian. If you are a TRUE
CHRISTIAN we would not be having this discussion. Because you would know the WORD OF GOD and the TRUTH.
I beg your pardon Sir, but I am as true a Christian as you my friend. I do not disagree with God's word. I could possibly have a different
interpretation of God's word but I like you have little argument as to what the Good Book says.
As far as Masons being ministers outside the lodge. That was predicted as well, thousands of years ago. There are false teachers and preachers
( NOT CHRISTIANS ) (WHO COME IN HIS NAME ) all over this world that are compromising there own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others. Christ was
very explicit about this ! You should know this if you are a Christian ?
Who are we to judge or ascertain who is a false prophet and who is not. The Bible says you will know these people by their works. Meeting once or
twice a month with people of like minds and interests and discussing the latest charity drive that happens to be going on that particular month HARDLY
qualifies anyone as being a "false prophet". When in Lodge there is nary a argument or even a discussion about anyone's particular Religion. There
is men and women from every conceivable formal Religion represented at any particular Lodge meeting but there is never an argument or even a
discussion over Religion or Politics. All that is left at the Lodge door and people are there for the betterment of their neighborhood, city or state
by doing good works. The Good Book also says "judge ye not lest ye be judged". You have already judged me and you know me not other than from a few
excerpts or postings I may have made on this board.
What does God say about people who deceive other Christians ? Like Masonry ?
Whom have I or any of the other Freemasons on this board deceived? If you believe me not or feel any of us has deceived you then join the Lodge and
find out for yourself. We both believe so closely and agree on so many points you are but a step away from becoming a Freemason yourself.
As a christian -Do you think that witnessing the TRUTH for Christ is wrong ?
Absolutely not. However, as a Christian we must always be careful as to how we witness so as not to turn people away.
As far as being (Tolerant of other religions ) -Do you know what this means ?
Of course. Sometimes it means keeping your mouth shut if someone doesn't exactly believe as you yourself. Over time I have become more tolerant of
dissenting views. I figure the Good Lord hasn't brought the dissenter along as much as I or just maybe my preconceived idea just may not be right and
perhaps I should return to the Bible and do a little research, spend a little time on my knees and find out who or what is right or what is the right
thing to do. At times it's meant that I have had to retrack and straighten or rethink my own views before proceeding. It doesn't necessarily mean I
need to go slam everyone that doesn't believe as me on a message board.
Was and Is Christ tolerant of other Gods and Religions ? The answers are very clear in the Word of God as well. As a Christian you would know
this as well. The answer is( NO IF'S ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.) If you cannot pick up your cross and follow HIM 100% you are against HIM.
There are thousands of religions out there and a lotta people feel they are bearing the cross and following him and they are to the best of their
ability. Which path is the correct one? Which particular religion has the 100% absolute truth? Are you sure? The fact is God brings us all along in a
loving manner and only gives us that which we can handle. Your particular walk with God has been hand-crafted by Him to suit your particular needs as
has my particular walk. We are all different and for you to assume because someone doesn't believe as you they are going to Hell is quite a pompous
position. Humility my friend goes a long way. How do I know you aren't some false prophet? How do I know that if I believe as you that you won't
lead me straight to hell? .
By the way-I am not a newbe to the Masonry Religion, Frat, Church, Organization or Charity or many other names that you and others would like
to call it. I know much more than most Masons do unfortunetly. Not because I am smarter but I have taken the time and researched this myslef. It's a
shame that it's members don't.
My friend, I too have done much research and I have found your opinions lacking in fundamentals. But this is only my opinion and it's not meant to be
a personal bash, just my observation.
But that doesn't negate the fact that this oraganization is compromising your own walk with God ( ONLY IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN ) and it could
even affect your life ever after. I wish you and others would realize this. But God did say that many will come in HIS name and even produce miracles
in HIS NAME and it doesn't mean it is for Christ or even Christian.
Can you explicitly explain to me how this is affecting my walk with God. If anything it has made it richer. There is never a Lodge meeting anywhere on
Sunday so I'm still able to attend church services. If there is a meeting on a week night that contradicts with a church service I must attend
Freemasonry teaches me that it's much more important to attend church. It has forced me to study and research ancient religions. It has taught me
that Christianity has been unduly influenced throughout the ages by all sorts of other religions. It has taught me that some bible stories actually
had roots in other religions. Above all it has persuaded me to seek out the truth, not just take someone's word for it.
you will then realize that you are mixed up in an organization that is not accepted by Christ.
Please explain this in great detail. The blather about us worshipping a another God or Gods just won't cut it because it's false.
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