Why do the Masons fall for the "bait" that the authors of these kinds of threads lay out? It's obvious that this is just a ploy to get you all worked up and it seems to have worked. I am not a Mason so I can't empathize with your frustration, but I can see that it must get annoying to have to defend yourself from these ignorrant attempts to your blood boiling.

You don't have to defend yourself ALL the time. The people who come here and bash Masons already have their mind made up, so there is no use "setting them straight". The ones who come here with legit questions are the ones you wanna focus on. And if you are afraid that they are going to be deceived by being fed the wrong info from the anti Mason trolls, then are they really the kind of free thinking people you want taking interest in your fraternity?

Keep the faith brothers (and not in that I'm a mason your a mason brother talk but who knows...maybe one day)

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
When ever they get backed into a corner they BAND TOGETHER and retaliate like no other (cult) that I have EVER encountered. They will slander, ridicule, slam, and use the typical (cult) Tactic's to derail or make fun of another while deflecting the question put in front of them. Then they sink even lower and start the (Troll Thing .) They will accuse you of just writing nothing to make points ? Typical childish endeavors !

All fanatics of all groups do this: Masons, Christians, Satanists, Muslems, Atheists, whites, blacks, yellows and greens. If you don't hold our ideals then you are a threat to us.

I am sick to death of people whining about how the world is out to get them or their group. Sorry to break this to anyone that does not already know, but the world doesn't care about you. You and your clich will live and die and then be forgotten by time. Realise it, accept it and get over yourself because the only permenant is change.

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere

When ever they get backed into a corner they BAND TOGETHER and retaliate like no other (cult) that I have EVER encountered. They will slander, ridicule, slam, and use the typical (cult) Tactic's to derail or make fun of another while deflecting the question put in front of them. Then they sink even lower and start the (Troll Thing .) They will accuse you of just writing nothing to make points ? Typical childish endeavors !

This is not what happens. Pointless ridicule is not allowed in the forums, and I have not noticed the masons doing that. I have seen them dole out harsh words for people that accuse their frat of pretty terrible things. I think its completely understandable that they should respond to the accusations people make against them.

I mean, honestly, what kind of a complaint is that? The masons effectively and harshly argue against their frat being devious and sinister?

I thought this was a discussion site about conspiricies ?

Indeed. This is a discussion site. Not a bandwagon site. If you have something to say about masons, then the masons get to respond and discuss it. If it turns out that you (not you in particular, I am being rhetorical here) don'tknow what you are talking about, and are being irrational and illogical and making baseless conlcusions, they are perfectly within their bounds to note this.

I guess they will never turn the tides and be honest with us ? And why should we expect anymore ?

After all- They are a Secret Society !

So lets get it straight. You are saying that you know you can't discuss these things with masons, and yet you accuse them of these things anyway, and respond to their comments and discuss it with them?

This is a discussion site, not a propaganda site, pro or con mason, or any other secret society. If you want to discuss secret socieities in a neutral territory, then this is the place to go. If your arguements are lacking and your evidences insufficient, then that is going to be revealed in the course of discussion.

And this is a case in point, instead of picking up on one of the many discussion that you've been in, you've run away and claimed that 'they' are 'ganging up on you' and posted a rant? How can they 'gangup' on anyone anyway? This is a discussion group, not a street corner, if you think someone is unreasonable, you don't have to respond to them, and if you think its so obvious that they are unreasonable, then everyone else can see that too.

edit to add

mpeake
It's obvious that this is just a ploy

I don't think its a ploy, I think that the OP is genuinely frustrated and feels that the masons unfairly gang up on him. I think he's completely incorrect, and that anyone that makes accussations of sinister conspiracy against a group should, of all things, not expect them to not respond, vehemently, but he does seem genuinely concerned.

[edit on 10-6-2005 by Nygdan]

I don't understand.....the masons here have most of the time seemed very respectful to me. And if they start to get rude and mean themselves when people are posting lies about them based on nothing, why should they not get mad? The christians(no offense but this is so true) are ALOT worse than any mason ive seen on ATS, they insult, ridicule, make absurd accusations, misjudge, and are often the antimasons that hang around. Christians shouldn't be anti anything really, at least not against somebody, possibly against an idea. I once saw a thread where a christian was calling everyone a deciever, working with satan, a liar, etc. who didnt agree with his theory about the Great pyramids. It was also quite funny actually, lol.

Just because theres a big brotherhood of men that is supposedly secret, it doesnt make the brotherhood evil. People always jump to the conclusion that anything secret, and mysterious is evil.
You said masons ridicule others when they are challenged...oh, wait, you mean like when sumone says that masons are full of it and theyre trying to take over the world, and that theyre evil, etc. And masons step up to defend their reputation, shall they let everyone say that theyre evil?
At least they don't go wasting webspace by making threads 'WINING about how everybody is so mean to them!!! omg, im so tired of seeing those....i see "masons are stupid" threads, threads like these, but i at least dont see any "Why is everybody so mean to masons, stop making us cry" threads....
see you don't have to be a mason to ridicule...

Originally posted by Vesuvius 13
The christians(no offense but this is so true) are ALOT worse than any mason ive seen on ATS, they insult, ridicule, make absurd accusations, misjudge, and are often the antimasons that hang around.

The irony is that most of the freemasons who post here are Christians.

Why do non-masons poste these questions?

-to get a rise out of the masons?
-to troll up points to thier acount?
-to incite a battle between opposing viewpoints?

How is this above top secret? Why is this still under secret society conspiracies?

Why do non-masons FORMULATE CRAZY conspirices about masons? Why do non-maons maks masonry into something IT IS NOT?

we may never know...

Originally posted by LeftBehind
I suppose you take it as a compliment when people say that your remarks are immature and silly?

Look, it's not a big deal. There was just no need to point your finger and say "I told you so!", and then on top of that add cynicism to the situation by saying "I used to not buy the myths about the masons, but now i dont know..." It was simply unnecessary in my view. No big deal.

Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by Vesuvius 13
The christians(no offense but this is so true) are ALOT worse than any mason ive seen on ATS, they insult, ridicule, make absurd accusations, misjudge, and are often the antimasons that hang around.

The irony is that most of the freemasons who post here are Christians.

Hhahaha not if you believe the B.S. that Mr. Truth has been saying about us! He shsould be HAPPY that there is a fraternity out there that ENCOURAGES men to follow their faith as vehemently as possible. Who would've thought that a fundamentallist would have a problem with THAT?!? Oh yeah, he doesn't like it because we accept people of all faiths and that goes against his indoctrinated ideals...

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Why do non-masons poste these questions?

-to get a rise out of the masons?
-to troll up points to thier acount?
-to incite a battle between opposing viewpoints?

How is this above top secret? Why is this still under secret society conspiracies?

Why do non-masons FORMULATE CRAZY conspirices about masons? Why do non-maons maks masonry into something IT IS NOT?

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop?

we may never know...

Indeed, the world may never know...

[edit on 6/10/05 by The Axeman]

Exactly Trinityman, most of the masons ARE christians, but apparently, idk, maybe theyre considered evil christians...wtf? lol (i wasnt talking about masonic christians earlier of course btw, nor the christians who are, say, humble)

BTW, i don't even understand why the mods arent trashing this thread or closing it, seriously, this has been discussed a million times, theres probably 8 threads in the search with possibly even the same name, used just to put down masons or something immature like that. I think you should close this thread and just link it to the other 15,000 threads just like it lol!
Oh yeah and the same with the christian wining threads theyre popping up more and more and its rediculous at least keep it in one thread!?!?
We should have a "Grudges forum" in belowtopsecret for all of this.....what do u say? Good idea? no? yes....

[edit on 10-6-2005 by Vesuvius 13]

Mr- fixit I do respect your thoughts and values as any other person and individual. Like I have said over and over through-out the many threads. It's not my words but Gods words that convict the heart. I started off very humble and reserved till I got jumped on by about 4 Masons on these threads. That's ok-We are here to discuss. But as soon as THEY STARTED WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS- I got defensive as would anyone.

This is a very high emotional topic with good reason. As a Christian you should know that. Do you think as a christian that Salavation is an issue ?
That is what we are discussing. You cannot be a christian and pray to a gog or supreme being that incapsules all gods. (This is called paganism) If you were not aware. But as a christian I would expect you and others to know this. But maybe you never new Christ ? I am not judjing, but going to church and praying to (a god ) DOES NOT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN. I am sorry but that is what the Word Of God Says ! Not Me.

As a matter of fact I have a clear view of christianity from following the nature of God and Christ. Accepting Him as my personal savior and NO OTHER ! Being Babtized by water and by spirit and I pray, walk, talk and sing in the spirit EVERYDAY as God expects us too.

What makes a christian in your view and Gods view ?

Since you are new here and decided to slam me personally without even confronting me in a christian way-That it is also in the Word of God ( The ways of confronting a christian about sin ) Not witnessing as you are misunderstanding. Please dont take the Word of God out of context and try to turn them around on a TRUE CHRISTIAN. It doesn't work. God had already placed a God Ordained law in affect to protect HIS CHILDREN.

Please understand that many call themselves christians and are not.

You can either agree or disagree with me. But unfortunetly you CANNOT disagree with Gods word if you call yourself a christian. If you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN we would not be having this discussion. Because you would know the WORD OF GOD and the TRUTH.

As far as Masons being ministers outside the lodge. That was predicted as well, thousands of years ago. There are false teachers and preachers ( NOT CHRISTIANS ) (WHO COME IN HIS NAME ) all over this world that are compromising there own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others. Christ was very explicit about this ! You should know this if you are a Christian ?

What does God say about people who deceive other Christians ? Like Masonry ?

As a christian -Do you think that witnessing the TRUTH for Christ is wrong ?

As far as being (Tolerant of other religions ) -Do you know what this means ?

Was and Is Christ tolerant of other Gods and Religions ? The answers are very clear in the Word of God as well. As a Christian you would know this as well. The answer is( NO IF'S ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.) If you cannot pick up your cross and follow HIM 100% you are against HIM.

I am not here to bash anyone. I am here to point out the truth and if you refuse to listen to the Spirit of God and refuse to search for the answers yourself by reading the bible that is your option.

By the way-I am not a newbe to the Masonry Religion, Frat, Church, Organization or Charity or many other names that you and others would like to call it. I know much more than most Masons do unfortunetly. Not because I am smarter but I have taken the time and researched this myslef. It's a shame that it's members don't.

I am not against Masonry- They do some very good things for our community and probably for eachother and that's Great. I don't despute that one bit. I also know that there are very good people in Masonry and that's undesputable.

But that doesn't negate the fact that this oraganization is compromising your own walk with God ( ONLY IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN ) and it could even affect your life ever after. I wish you and others would realize this. But God did say that many will come in HIS name and even produce miracles in HIS NAME and it doesn't mean it is for Christ or even Christian.

I pray that if you and others are truly christians you would honestly take a good long look into this at a deeper level than you already know and you will find the truth and the conflicts in being a Christian vs being a Mason.
You cannot be both and God was very clear about this.

Will you take the challenge and be an individual and look for yourself ? Or will you be one of the deceived ?

I truly believe that you may be a christian that's just deceived at this point of your life. And the closer that you come to HIM you will then realize that you are mixed up in an organization that is not accepted by Christ.

Truth !



[edited big and layered quote - nygdan]


[edit on 10-6-2005 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
I started off very humble and reserved till I got jumped on by about 4 Masons on these threads. That's ok-We are here to discuss. But as soon as THEY STARTED WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS- I got defensive as would anyone.

But this was only after YOU ATTACKED US! You attack us, then we attack you, then you get mad at us for attacking you, after you have already attacked us first! Does this make any sense to you?!?

It's not my words but Gods words

Yes but it is YOU who is JUDGING us.

There are false teachers and preachers ( NOT CHRISTIANS ) (WHO COME IN HIS NAME ) all over this world that are compromising there own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others.

Has it ever occurred to you that you may be one of these "false teachers"? Like any other fundamentalist, you have taken the word of God as literally as possible, and negated the fact that Jesus taught in parables and allegory. THIS is twisting and distorting the word of God and would make you a false teacher.

I know much more than most Masons do unfortunetly. Not because I am smarter but I have taken the time and researched this myslef. It's a shame that it's members don't.

HAHAHA!!! THAT IS A JOKE!!!! Freemasonry must be experienced to be truly understood and, if you are not a mason, you have not experienced Freemasonry and you cannot possibly understand Freemasonry more than an actual member. Don't kid yourself, you're not fooling anyone else.

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere But as soon as THEY STARTED WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS

Personal attacks and abuse are not permited in the forums. If it happens, please inform me or one of the other mods for this or whatever forum you are in and we will address it.

However, I have to say, that if someone notes that another person is stuborn, uneducated on a particular matter (not education in general but on the particular topic), or making irrational conclusions, well, thats not abuse and attack, any more than saying that a particular secret society is the dupe of the devil, or that its members have no idea what 'really' goes on in it, or any of that sort of stuff.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere But as soon as THEY STARTED WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS

Personal attacks and abuse are not permited in the forums. If it happens, please inform me or one of the other mods for this or whatever forum you are in and we will address it.

However, I have to say, that if someone notes that another person is stuborn, uneducated on a particular matter (not education in general but on the particular topic), or making irrational conclusions, well, thats not abuse and attack, any more than saying that a particular secret society is the dupe of the devil, or that its members have no idea what 'really'
goes on in it, or any of that sort of stuff.

Thanks so much for the clarification,
Truth

Personal attacks and abuse are not permited in the forums. If it happens, please inform me or one of the other mods for this or whatever forum you are in and we will address it.

Nygdan, please lock this thread before it escalates into another pointless, anti - Mason "bloodbath".

I agree. This is accomplishing nothing.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I agree. This is accomplishing nothing.

Same here. This thread alone could be construed as a borderline personal attack. The author of this thread did not create it to ask an honest question. He created it to try to tell others that this is indeed what masons do. In other words, slander.

Please end this thread.