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posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 07:09 PM
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Some evidence we might be at war with russia soonQuote: by Ion Mihai Pacepa, Romanian intelligence


History always repeats itself, and if you can live two lives, you have an even greater chance of seeing that repetition with your own eyes. During the last six years of my other life, as a Romanian intelligence general, the main task of the Soviet bloc espionage community was to transform Yasser Arafat’s war against Israel and its main supporter, the United States, into an armed doctrine of the whole Islamic world. America was our main enemy, and a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on it than could a mere one million. Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep. Our task was to convert its historical hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States, by portraying this land of freedom as an “imperial Zionist country” financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious “Council of the Elders of Zion,” the Kremlin’s epithet for the US Congress.

According to KGB theorists, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hate. Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch. Terrorism and violence against America would flow naturally from their religious fervor. We had only to keep repeating, over and over, that the United States was a “Zionist country” bankrolled by rich Jews. Islam was obsessed with preventing the infidel’s occupation of its territory, and it would be highly receptive to our dogma that American imperialism wanted to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom.




in 1964 the politburo increased spending on terrorist activities by 1,000%

the same year, the KGB created the PLO.

in the mid 1960s, the soviets built and staffed marxist terror training camps in cuba

by 1968, the first arab terrorists began turning out from these camps

from 1968 to 1980, terror attacks increased from 142 acts in 1968, to 760 attacks in 1980

in 1970, under KGB direction, the PLO began building terror training camps in the middle east

from 1970 to 1979, 2,000 people were killed in terror attacks, and 5,000 wounded

25% of those killed were americans

as the iraq war commenced, the last non-coalition planes to leave iraq were russian military planes, carrying russian spetznaz troops

10 days prior to the iraq war, a photograph was taken of two russian generals being awarded medals by ba'ath party military officials. the building in which the photographs were taken was bombed during the war

the day the war began, a convoy raced across the desert toward the syrian border and was fired on by US troops. the convoy was russian

in the 11 years of UN sanctions, 24 nations illegally supplied saddam hussein with weapons, in direct vioation of UN sanctions. the top four illegal suppliers were: russia, germany, france, and china

the total amount of tonnage illegally sold to saddam hussein was between 600 million and 1 billion tons

by contrast, the entire US arsenal is estimated at 1.6 billion tons



most don't realize it, but for three decades, the soviets sent up 60% more satellites than the US. 80% of them were military launches.

nor do most realize that the soviets have had a space-based laser program in place since at least the early 80s. nor is it well-known that the russians have a decided nuclear advantage over the US.



now, take this information, and factor into your analysis the fact that the soviets staged their own collapse, in gorbachev's words, "to put us to sleep".

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posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Mrexclusive
now, take this information, and factor into your analysis the fact that the soviets staged their own collapse, in gorbachev's words, "to put us to sleep".





Yes! Finally someone who sees things the way that I see them!

The USSR Collapse was STAGED to lull America into a False Sense of Security ... and to get AID from America.

There was a Soviet Defector that told this story to the Feds when he came to America.

The USSR is alive and well, and are allowing their Navy to Rust and their encomy to be on the fritz, while the Muslim World Wages a Holy War against US. If the Muslims succeed in Collapsing the American Economy then Russia will come out of its hiding place and partner with China to take over the world.




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ITS CALLED THE FINAL PHASE


More Russian Spies in US Now than During Cold War











[edit on 9-6-2005 by Where2Hide2006]



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Where2Hide2006

Originally posted by Mrexclusive
There was a Soviet Defector that told this story to the Feds when he came to America.


[edit on 9-6-2005 by Where2Hide2006]

In 1982, KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn had submitted a top-secret manuscript to CIA. In it, he foresaw that leadership of the USSR would by 1986 "or earlier" fall to "a younger man with a more liberal image," who would initiate "changes that would have been beyond the imagination of Marx or the practical reach of Lenin and unthinkable to Stalin."

The coming liberalization, Golitsyn said, "would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the Communist Party's role; its monopoly would be apparently curtailed.... The KGB would be reformed. Dissidents at home would be amnestied; those in exile abroad would be allowed to take up positions in the government; Sakharov might be included in some capacity in the government. Political dubs would be opened to nonmembers of the Communist Party. Leading dissidents might form one or more alternative political Censorship would be relaxed; controversial plays, films, and art would be published, performed, and exhibited."

Golitsyn provided an entire chapter of such predictions, containing 194 distinct auguries. Of these, 46 were not soon falsifiable (it was too early to tell, e.g., whether Russian economic ministries would be dissolved); another 9 predictions (e.g., of a prominent Yugoslavian role in East-Bloc liberalization) seemed clearly wrong. Yet of Golitsyn's falsifiable predictions, 139 out of 148 were fulfilled by the end of 1993 -- an accuracy rate of nearly 94 percent. Among events correctly foreseen: "the return to power of Dubcek and his associates" in Czechoslovakia; the reemergence of Solidarity" and the formation of a "coalition government" in Poland; a newly "independent" regime in Romania; "economic reforms" in the USSR; and a Soviet repudiation of the Afghanistan invasion. -Golitsyn even envisioned that, with the "easing of immigration controls" by East Germany, "pressure could well grow for the solution of the German problem [by] some form of confederation between East and West," with the result that "demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated."

Golitsyn received CIA's permission to publish his manuscript in book form, and did so in 1984. But at time his predictions were made, Sovietologists had little use for Golitsyn or his "new methodology for the study of the communist world." John C. Campbell, reviewing Golitsyn's book in Foreign Affairs, politely recommended that it "be taken with several grains of salt." Other critics complained that Golitsyn's analysis "strained credulity" and was "totally inaccurate," or became so exercised as to accuse him of being the "demented" proponent of "cosmic theories." The University of North Carolina's James R. Kuhlman declared that Golitsyn's new methodology would "not withstand rigorous examination. Oxford historian R.W. Johnson dismissed Golitsyn's views as "nonsense." British journalist Tom Mangold even went so far as to say, in 1990 -- well after Golitsyn's prescience had become clear -- that "As a crystal-ball gazer, Golitsyn has been unimpressive." Mangold reached this conclusion by listing six of Golitsyn's apparently incorrect predictions and ignoring the 139 correct ones.

Golitsyn's analysis was as little appreciated within CIA as it was in the outside world. "Unfortunate is the only term for this book," an Agency reader noted in an official 1985 review. A CIA analyst took Golitsyn to task for making "unsupported allegations without sufficient (or sometimes any) evidence," and for this reason would be "embarrassed to recommend the whole." Golitsyn's case, other words, was deductive: He had no "hard evidence," no transcript of a secret meeting in which Gorbachev said the would do all these things. Perhaps most fundamentally, as the philosopher William James once noted, "we tend to disbelieve all facts and theories for which we have no use." Who had any use, in the end, for Golitsyn's belief that the coming glasnost and perestroika would merely constitute the "final phase" of a long-term KGB strategy to "dominate the world"?



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 10:27 PM
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We have some greet story tellers in this world. Have a good day.




West Point, Out.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 08:26 AM
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Oh boy...

Yes. Yes Russia will go to war and kick everyones ass with thier super military.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 08:31 AM
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Indeed they will!

There is quite alot of talk of what the situation is.....but it's in greek and It's all politics and I can't make out alot of the stuff they talk about....

There is also Turkey.....just a few of the things that will soon come to be....

IX
helen

why 9?



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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The USSR is alive and well, and are allowing their Navy to Rust and their encomy to be on the fritz, while the Muslim World Wages a Holy War against US. If the Muslims succeed in Collapsing the American Economy then Russia will come out of its hiding place and partner with China to take over the world.



But isn't Russia, and to a lesser extent, China, having their own problems with Muslim separatists? Are these wars in Chechnya and other areas just a farce? And assuming the USSR really did prop up Arafat and create the conditions for all these terror attacks against US interests, why would they then go and invade Afghanistan? Wouldn't that be counterproductive to their goals of turning a billion Muslims against the United States?

I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve these "theories." It's just that with conspiracies such as these, you're offering up an awful lot for us to swallow.

And assuming that the Soviets purposely let their entire naval fleet rust away until the Muslims cripple America... do they honestly think they can rebuild their navy to #1 superpower status in a matter of a few years? I think that'd be a nearly impossible feat. Especially with the remaining superpower fleets, such as Britain, Japan, China, and even nations such as France.

Sorry guys, I just got out of bed and I'm thinking out loud. lol. Forgive me for rambling, but I hope you can understand what it is I'm trying to explain and comprehend here!



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