Gregnow,

It's for us to see the light in the dark.This is also why I said, that you will have to feel for truth.The only thing my truth center didn't agree with is that we would fall into another Great War.They are just pointing out the enevitable from their point of view in humanity either we strive to a higher knowledge or we become slaves to a description on what is possible.Every time we reached a certain degree of truth our annihaltion took place.

Yes, but you are not answering my question. If they want to dominate us and keep us blind to our true potanial, then why are they telling you things that would actually hwlp us reach our true potenial? They are defeating their own purpose. Why would they bother to tell you anything that can help us if they want to control us? It does not make any sense. Again what am i missing here?

This is where the paradoxity is at, we have to know how to reach it ourselves.The love vibration is the overall key to humankinds freedom.Or lets say letting go of the ego,knowing our" true selves".

Mengaurd, i know all that. How are you not seeing what i am asking though? Why would the beings that are trying to hold us down tell you how not to be held down? It makes no sense as they are defeating their own purpose. You still are not answering my question.

They never told me how not to be held down I had to do the work.

Warthog,
I take precidense to that, I am not a human, and do not apreciate being insulted by being called one.

Mengaurd, you are on here on this entire thread saying that they told you things that to me seems they were telling you things that would actually help mankind but then you also say they are trying to keep us down. Did you not say these two contradicting things here on this thread?

Your very first post on this thread contradicts itself for example. You say that they "told" you that they have a machine that traps human souls??? Why would they tell you this as then they are simply telling you something that could help mankind know what is really going on and what they are really about? It makes no sense. I am not saying i believe you either way as you can provide no proof, but maybe you are telling the truth who am i to say what you say you have expirenced is not true. Hoever i would have to say the flaw in your whole story here is that by what you say the "Ancients" are contradicting themselves which makes no sense. You say they are trying to dominate us and hold us back but at the same time they are telling you things that could actually help mankind.

[edit on 18-6-2005 by GREGNOW]

At first I was sort of iffy on the concept behind this thread but I freely attempted to make contact with the Ancients through meditation an upon my experiance I was able here is an insert I had foward to Menguard U2U because as much as I now believe I know alot of you are gonna try to knock me...

I've been on here but it seems you may not be online for a while so let me share this with you....

I believe I made contact with these Ancients you talked about and they described themselves to me like this.

The Ancients are we, we're more than one but are all one,look into the light.

We are not demons we are the Suns of Osiris- "We're Alive"

Your Sun is one, but alone its not connected to the belt, a Union as Us!

We are one but were seperated by Placious, whom is Osiris to join as a belt in the Union.

Life is more than you may see or know, for in darkness life is light.

Mengaurd, then I asked them about the Reptilians and they said "The question should not be asked about Reptilians for it is us whom should be questioned about".

I guess they wanted me to ask them about whom they are, since I search and ask em to reveal themselves to me.

They said "What is the Light that shines on me worth, Forever?"

"Forever??? I said."

Yes if it is to shine forever,what should it be worth?

(I couldn't answer it, the question was confusing)

They the Ancients said: "There are 9 planets and that all 9 have life but that only one deserves the light.

Emsamcio is the Child of the 13 Imperials as 13 Legions or nations, all as one. Emsamcio.

We are the board,commissioned to be as one and to demostrate our power our light will be as your day but enlightens within yourself even in darkness.

Then I asked about the machine you claimed to be a Harp and they said:

This machine penetrates the inner core creating a Gyroscope that emitts material energy they the Ancients use in travel between two celestrial domains.

They said if one looks due East in the skies you can see the light emitting toward their constellation.

Menguard then I asked them about medicines or a cure for aids since my younger brother is effected by the HIV virus and they said:

With a birds wing man can fly, and by embryo all is born through the egg, life is born from the egg and from the egg all cures reside...

Huh? I'm not sure what to guess from that but I assume that as The sun which contains all the elements of life so does a chicken's egg and within it we can cure all health issues.

well my chat with them ended but Menguard did they speak to you in riddles and similarity to this that I am sending you?

Well hope to hear from you.

Now I know it may seem too far fetch but I honestly belive anyone here can communicate with them, the key is believing and channeling to them.

"Now they said Suns Of Osiris but maybe thats what I think they said; my gutts got me leaning toward the sons of sirus" I need to try another attempt.









[edit on 18-6-2005 by 2ndSEED]

2nd seed, the "egg" answer they gave you could simply mean cell stem research. Thing is how do you know who exactly you were "communicating" with and if they are telling you the truth about anything? It has always been said that those of the darkside lie and decieve.
Also none of this answer my question to Mengaurd and how his story seems to contradict itself.

Originally posted by GREGNOW
2nd seed, the "egg" answer they gave you could simply mean cell stem research. Thing is how do you know who exactly you were "communicating" with and if they are telling you the truth about anything? It has always been said that those of the darkside lie and decieve.
Also none of this answer my question to Mengaurd and how his story seems to contradict itself.

It was more than one, but hard to describe since they are not physical but light.

I see them as a mist of energy, a cloud of light and they were in darkness the whole area was dark like the darkness in space and they were universal very large. Example as if their everywhere.

Well they, I say they since they presented themselves as more than one didn't seem evil, I ask them if they are demons and they responded with no.

I actually believe them since I felt a source of Positive energy within my body. This feeling was still looming long enough that I was able to write down what I was told.

As getting your questions answer from Menguard I can't but I did ask about the Harpp machine he'd described and they said its not a Harpp its some sort of teleport device which can transport light from one point to another in the form of light being light they themselves use it.

They called themselves Emnascio or Ensamcio, couldn't make it out....


I know what you mean Evil beings lie to decive and I felt no negativity with them but when I did ask about the Reptilians they were disturbed and wanted me to concentrate on the light.

The weird question was: When they asked

"What is light worth, forever?"

Now they really didn't want to repeat things so I asume I may herd several things wrong maybe they said:

"Is the Light worth forever?"

They Talked in codes, like riddles. They answered in questions.










[edit on 18-6-2005 by 2ndSEED]

Menguard,

Thank you for immediately understanding that all I'm doing it attempting to add more depth to the conversation.

Again, this is a paraphrase of things I've read on the subject. I do not know the information to be true or false since I have no way of verifying it.

We were seeded by the Reptilians. They created us using their DNA and the ape like creatures inhabiting Earth (since the apes were well adapted to the environment). Earth was to be our physical prison. After the "human" soul started seating into the human bodies there was a time often referred to as the golden age. The high vibration of the soul made the 3d body vibrate between densities. Not a bad existence for awhile. Then we discovered self pleasure. It's been a downhill ride from there. Now we produce some of the most tasty dark energy for our persistent masters. Energy such as that created by sexual violence.

Them not wanting to address the issue of Reptilians is suspect. If you concentrate only on the light you will be blindsided. We each are in the darkness to learn from it. To know it's many forms and it's tools. Things like "divide and conquer". Also remember, this is a battle. Know thy enemy. There's no hope of success without full understanding of where we each find ourselves.

Another thing I find suspect is the comment on "deserving the light". In objective reality there is no such thing as "deserve". This is purely a subjective stance which seems to suggest that humans deserve "light" more than other parts of existence. Beware of those that try to make you feel special.

These overlords called themselves God in the bible. They will not hesitate to take on any form that they think will be trusted. You may not feel the negativity. The best lie is 99% truth. In these cases, feeling may not always be enough.

These are just things to keep in mind. I cannot completely say that they are the ORs or something else. It's just, to me, that is what makes sense currently. Just my opinion based on what I've read and going on the assumption that all of it is based somewhere in fact.


EDIT: Got Orion and Osiris mixed up.

[edit on 6-18-2005 by ShadowHasNoSource]

"What is the Light that shines on me worth, Forever?"

The answer would most likely be "priceless". You can not attach worth to the light that shines forever. The light that shines forever is the soul. Possessing the human soul is the goal of the Orion Reptilians. They already possess it to some extent but could lose it when we are no longer blinded by these chemical machines we have become so attached to.

2ndSEED,
Could you please explain how you are contacting? Are you using "automatic writing"? Ouija board? Psychomantium?

Here are some questions if you wish to ask...

Where are humans originally from?

Ask them what the Ankh symbol means to them?

Ask them why you shouldn't ask about the Reptilians.

"This machine penetrates the inner core creating a Gyroscope that emitts material energy they the Ancients use in travel between two celestrial domains."
-->Which two celestrial domains?

Is Harp related to HAARP?

I could think of a million more questions probably.

Anyway, enjoy the contact and ask hordes of questions. Don't take anything at face value. Those of 4d and 5d that are helping us have long ago aquired patience for our questions. If they show impatience it could be a warning sign. Be vigilant. And good luck.

They said it traps souls because its almost impossible for us to ascend to a higher state of consciousness/state of being.The Ancients have a light side and a dark side,as do we.We must learn to integrate both states of being to be balanced.The duality of the universe.And yes the Ancients have a soul travel or light condensor.It's like a bright ball of light when you travel through their inter travel system of the earth plane.It 's like a ball of light taking you through the layers of earth.A bright white and amber light taking you through it.

Originally posted by menguard
They know that we have gobs of energy while they have unparalelled awareness.

they are not unparalelled in the department of awareness, i assure you. in fact there are those who don't even recognize them as a threat anymore.

These beings were the original creators of this technology I was told.

they are not the original creators of the technology you speak of.



[edit on 19/6/05 by Esoteric Teacher]

ShadowHasNoSource Your input is on point and is precise to all figments of truth, I am channeling them via meditation and my last communication with them I was confronted by one whom saids to be the higher one of the group he seemed to be a reptilian and has told me that I was prohibited to question the Enascions (The Ancients) and although the Ancients will be among me I will not be able to communicate with them unless I walk into the light. The reason being since I was allowed to learn about the Gyroscope.

The Gyrascope:
It is a material emitter that converts light from the 3rd to 4th demension, their domain lays in the Star belt of Orion. He, I assume its a he from his bold presents communicated telepathic and share the following with me.

They are from the 4th demension no lie and as light they'' be present. We are not demons for all that you ask will be answer and all this answer will also be taught.


Flames is to Ice as Ice is to Flames, as the flames melt the Ice the Ice puts out the flame, all existance has a cycle and for the end is not the end its solely is a
transition, like shedding its layer as a snake.

As humans prepare fot the next transition, they themselves shed their skin and take on a light of their own, so it could be guided to the ones awaiting this transition to finalize its progress. (Note: he said ones not one but as many)

The light is as an embryo and from within it all the generations are within,including all knowledge of the Ancient ones and the ones who are the Dracons are demons whom take souls and the light to feed on.

He explaines its all part of a cycle thats been destined and when the transition of light is complete then the souls are to be released to seed the new transfer of light.
The souls are just seeds in which the light grows from.

Then he saids the Grays are the ones who yet haven't enlighten their souls in life and they choose to rebel against the light, and this is why they fight one another.

Well thats all I got I lost communication.

But What he describe was that they the Reptilians are doing this on purpose he said that they depend on us for the light and in return they'll return our soul to the embryo and we'll be reborn!!!!

Seriously, this is some crazy stuff, I know what your all may be thinking....

menguard are all whom you were in touch the same beings?

I think they are misleading they said they are not demons but then assume they are demons....almost sounds like it wants me to kill myself...

Also he mentioned that the light is all positive and the need to feed on the light for its energy, the cycle of the Union depends on its energy.


[edit on 19-6-2005 by 2ndSEED]

Originally posted by menguard
They said it traps souls because its almost impossible for us to ascend to a higher state of consciousness/state of being.The Ancients have a light side and a dark side,as do we.We must learn to integrate both states of being to be balanced.The duality of the universe.And yes the Ancients have a soul travel or light condensor.It's like a bright ball of light when you travel through their inter travel system of the earth plane.It 's like a ball of light taking you through the layers of earth.A bright white and amber light taking you through it.

That then does make more sense. I agree that it does impead our ability to ascend.

Are you sure they are talking about actual 5d souls and not 4d energy bodies? I've seen an underlining element that might be taking place here. Those of 4d that wish to control us often speak of 4d as the spiritual realm. They often say soul instead of energy body. By doing this it makes it seem like they really are our gods when in fact we have access to more power than they do because our connection back to the source isn't completely closed.

In other words they don't want us to know our true potential while simultaneously making us believe they have more power over us than they actually do. So far it's working. By realizing the depth deceit can go you can better protect yourself against it.

I'm not saying they are lying because I don't even know what exists and what doesn't. This life does feel like battle though. So I figured I'd better brush up on the Art of War just in case. And if others sense a battle as well then I would be completely selfish if I didn't reveal the information I've obtained from recon.

"Know your enemy well,for he could be the one that sets you free."

The energy body would remain grounded on the earth plain vibration.So When you leave your body you would just be sent back to the vibration thats within your frequency/vibration.If you don't get past the third dimensional vibration/frequency look to be reincarnated back here.Because the human soul never moved up in ascension to a higher plane.

Originally posted by menguard
"Know your enemy well,for he could be the one that sets you free."

The energy body would remain grounded on the earth plain vibration.So When you leave your body you would just be sent back to the vibration thats within your frequency/vibration.If you don't get past the third dimensional vibration/frequency look to be reincarnated back here.Because the human soul never moved up in ascension to a higher plane.

Yes, thats it!!!! They said thats why they need us and in return we live on forever...

Maybe thats what they ment by "What is the light worth,forever?" I guess they are purposly using us and want us to continue in this cycle, and as long as we give them light our soul remains on earth forever.

Menguard doesn't that sound sinister?

But why am I prohibited to communicate with the Ancients, it makes no sense and lets say I do what can happen?

Originally posted by 2ndSEED
ShadowHasNoSource Your input is on point and is precise to all figments of truth, I am channeling them via meditation and my last communication with them I was confronted by one whom saids to be the higher one of the group he seemed to be a reptilian and has told me that I was prohibited to question the Enascions (The Ancients) and although the Ancients will be among me I will not be able to communicate with them unless I walk into the light. The reason being since I was allowed to learn about the Gyroscope.

That is classic. And when I say classic I mean "Fall of Man" classic.

"Since we give you this knowledge you must accept these limitations"

That's what got us here in the first place. They tricked us. The law of 3d is choas and forgetfullness. You basically have your spiritual memory suppressed. We didn't know any better either. They offered us knowledge. We took it. That was the action that made us service to self. That is what caused the fall originally. Can't they come up with any new tactics?

The Gyrascope:
It is a material emitter that converts light from the 3rd to 4th demension, their domain lays in the Star belt of Orion. He, I assume its a he from his bold presents communicated telepathic and share the following with me.

Sounds like when they say "light" they mean the complex body. By complex body I mean the soul/energy/matter body.

They are from the 4th demension no lie and as light they'' be present. We are not demons for all that you ask will be answer and all this answer will also be taught.
Flames is to Ice as Ice is to Flames, as the flames melt the Ice the Ice puts out the flame, all existance has a cycle and for the end is not the end its solely is a
transition, like shedding its layer as a snake.

Sounds like Oroboros. The snake eating it's own tail. It's a symbol often seen in Illuminati texts, alchemic texts and such. I think it may also be used in the occult (if memory serves). That's not to put any "evil" overtones though. Just an observation.

They may in fact, not be demons. There may actually be lower astral entities that would explain demons. I think the ORs are higher on the energy realm chart, so to speak. Just a possibility.

As humans prepare fot the next transition, they themselves shed their skin and take on a light of their own, so it could be guided to the ones awaiting this transition to finalize its progress. (Note: he said ones not one but as many)

The light is as an embryo and from within it all the generations are within,including all knowledge of the Ancient ones and the ones who are the Dracons are demons whom take souls and the light to feed on.

He explaines its all part of a cycle thats been destined and when the transition of light is complete then the souls are to be released to seed the new transfer of light.
The souls are just seeds in which the light grows from.

Many references to "light" but it's hard to pinpoint what exactly is meant. Any ideas? Are they talking about consciousness? That would make some sense I guess.

Then he saids the Grays are the ones who yet haven't enlighten their souls in life and they choose to rebel against the light, and this is why they fight one another.

From what I've read the Grays do not have souls. They were created as bio-robot slaves for the ORs. If this was the case then the above is highly deceitful. They are basically saying "Oh no, we are not at war with you we are at war with these other guys over here. No, you guys are doing great. Keep up the good work". But who really knows? Not I.

But What he describe was that they the Reptilians are doing this on purpose he said that they depend on us for the light and in return they'll return our soul to the embryo and we'll be reborn!!!!

Wow.

"Just hand over your soul, you don't need it. We'll take care of everything for you. Trust us."

Yea right! The dark side clouds much.

I think they are misleading....almost sounds like it wants me to kill myself...

I think it may be. But have no fear of them. There is no need for fear. You control your mind. You control your own being. The only way anything else can get control is by you allowing it. And being tricked is the same thing as allowing it. You may already know this though. Just trying to be helpful.