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Orginally posted by Hal9000
Well I will concede that definitive proof is not in the public domain, that is because it is kept hidden by the government and military. That does not mean that it doesn't exist. If it weren't true, how do you account for all the witnesses’ testimony that it does. Even early government documents show that many believed the UFO phenomenon involved extraterrestrial craft flown by aliens. If I had more time I would provide you with links, but something tells me it wouldn't change your view anyway.
Originally posted by speight89
The government are hiding them in a different area, not area 51 because thats too well known, somewhere more secure. I don't know where that is but I want to know.
Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
It just occurred to me that if the government is actually in cahoots with the aliens, as some have suggested, the actual physical data could be stored off world.
Could we perhaps have a secret base on another world?
What?? You've heard of "don't count your chickens before they hatch". Sir, you have a multi-national egg farm going on over there.
Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
That's ma'am to you.
Obviously I don't have inside information on where the government stores its secret UFO data, so speculation is the word for this thread. Since we have no conclusive evidence for or against the existence of UFOs, that too is speculation.
When forced to resort to speculation, the field is totally open - like probability in the world of quantum mechanics. Some places are more probable, but any place is possible. Including off world.
It is testable under controlled situations and enviroments. Tons of data support it.
Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
The key word here is 'TEST'. If you can't test, what do you really know about what's going on at the quantum level? Nothing. Anything could be anywhere, and you won't know until you test. In fact, until you do test through observation, the object is everywhere at once, and it's only testing that puts it in a fixed location (or state). Remember Shroedinger's Cat, both dead and undead at the same time?
Same with UFO data. Until we can test by looking, we have no idea where it's at and it could be anywhere. Including off world.
Originally posted by TruthMagnet
I dunno ask Joseph Gutheinz - he claims he can give you specific locations where evidence of alien coverup is occuring.
The only way to defeat the dark deep black groups is for the UFO community to create their own counter groups.
Its like a Black Hat/White Hat thing - fight fire with fire.
Until then "they are everyone and they are no one. We have survived by hiding from them, by running from them. But they are the gatekeepers. They are guarding all the doors. They are holding all the keys, which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them."
[edit on 8-6-2005 by TruthMagnet]
Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
Evidently not in it's computers:
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...
This guy did L570,000 (I think that's roughly $1 Mil, although I didn't look it up) in hacking, and he didn't find a thing (unless the gov't covered it up).
Where do you think the government is hiding UFO info? How do they keep it quiet? How many people know? Will we ever know the truth?
Do you realize the connection you are trying to make? I mean seriously, c'mon. Searching for subatomic particles and conlsuive UFO data....*sigh* I'm glad you have read some on quantum mechanics, more initiative than the average person has, but pure science is just that--science. Statements about UFOs are at best, speculative.
Is this somebody who "didn't believe in quantum mechanics?" Of course not. Einstein certainly was impressed and understood the very powerful experimental evidence for QM.
The quanta really are a hopeless mess.
I still do not believe that the statistical method of the Quantum Theory is the last word, but for the time being I am alone in my opinion. (Albert Einstein, On Quantum Theory, p125 1936)
You believe in the God who plays dice, and I in complete law and order in a world which objectively exists, and which I, in a wildly speculative way, am trying to capture. I firmly believe, but I hope that someone will discover a more realistic way, or rather a more tangible basis than it has been my lot to find. Even the great initial success of the Quantum Theory does not make me believe in the fundamental dice-game, although I am well aware that our younger colleagues interpret this as a consequence of senility. No doubt the day will come when we will see whose instinctive attitude was the correct one. (Albert Einstein to Max Born, On Quantum Theory, 1944)
Einstein thinks he has a continuous field theory that avoids 'spooky action at a distance', but the calculation difficulties are very great. He is quite convinced that some day a theory that does not depend on probabilities will be found.
Darwin's and Wallace's papers were read jointly at the Linnean Society on I July 1858 to a resounding silence.
Originally posted by Qwas
Scientists have already found primitive people on the planet Earth and have decided not to expose them to "civilized" life. They have been careful to take pictures but not let themselves be seen. But what if they have been seen and don't know it? Won't these people consider them aliens from another planet?