posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 02:02 PM
Cheers for the reply. I was unaware of the Echelon stuff. However, thats sort of what I was thinking about, but I think thats a bit too institutional
to the extent that it appears focussed on large corporates. What i'm hedging on is a very simple solution that harnesses the power of the internet.
For example, I cannot load Google.com, it keeps defaulting to Google.co.uk. I recently tried to find a list of all the global Googles and couldn't. I
do make progress, but the point is, I think the government has a finger in controlling how all that works. It doesn't have to be full proof because
no one will notice. If I spend an evening surfing the web, a typical history page in my browser will contain 20-50 sites that i've visited. As a
result I believe that I have seen the whole world. The Way Back machine has tried to copy the internet and they work on a budget. A determined
government program could do far more. I believe Microsoft map the internet at an incredible rate and mirror/cache it in their huge datawarehouses for
a variety of reasons. But the simplicity of the solution that I think must have been thought about caters for error. Like a coastal laggon that feeds
from the ocean, the fish there never get out, but they think they see all there is to see.
To put it more clearly, if you think about child molesters and murderers and real potential criminals, dont you think the governemnt of any western
nation would have a minister to whom they expect awnsers to such questions as, 'WTF are we going to do about it?' ie, how are we going to control
it. So, reverse that argument, lets not monitor the bad guys, lets monitor the good guys and protect them. How do you stop your children being
abducted? Take that approach, the need to defend the most valued assets we have, our people, alot of whom are gullable, niave and unaware of the full
dangers, and clearly there is an imperitive to do something, and then extend that to how far reaching it could lay, so far that it could encompass all
the ATS members. A simple system would tag ip's on this site. That system could internally flag them up as amber, then, if they keep coming up, flag
them as red, etc etc, all binery, so what we have is a computer system logging a wide range of user activity so much so that if you have been to 20
different high risk sites then you are monitored? The government could easily set lures and traps on sites made to look like normal sites in the same
way they have girls posing as hookers in the US streets in order to get the low down. THe project could produce no immediatly tangable results, but
would provide a test bed of intelligence on how it could be done and the sort of results that can be achieved. Combine this with high level security
systems in routers, the ip protocol and such and you have the potential for quite alot.
Personally I believe like you that what i'm saying is a lot of bull as i'm just a regular dude that is no real threat to anyone, but the reason for
this thread is to pause to think about the potential, and speculate about what could be done. I think the Echelon project is the tip of the iceberg.
Like any high level system, there will always be the AREA 51 magnets that everyone thinks are where the action is at, but a real government program
would probably be very simple, distributed and capable of being easily covered.
One extra point that I thought about was e-mails. I run a few sites and never have I ever had an e-mail that has led to a positive development in my
life. I'm not complaining as they are mostly rubbish, but the point is, after 5 years online, I would have expected someone somewhere to have
e-mailed me saying 'hey, we have a common interest, lets do something'. Now I often think that a government agency is blocking any e-mails like
that. Of course it could be that I really am unpopular, but i'm not convinced. Moreover, when I have sent e-mails to people in similar positions, I
have never recieved a reply. Now all that sort of says to me that there is a higher force at play.
Regarding your spam reply. I get spam that has no relevence to what I have been looking for. I dont get spam for anything related to death, murder,
terrorism or anything, but I get alot of e-mails about school girls and their horses. I dont have a fascination for death at all, but after
researching the 911 events I found myself in all sorts of places like Rotten, and sites with jumpers, Idi Amen, and Charles Manson. After searching
all that it sort of became clear to me that its an isue that must have been addressed at some level.
Finally, regardsing the white vans. Its true. I dont really think they're full of reconiscence people as I believe they would be far more discrete,
but it makes me think. I go out at 2am in the morning and just as I leave the door, there it is pulling up to park. At 2am in the morning!!! Nothing
unusual about that, but with everything else, I do get paranoid. Pissed off more than anything.
One last point, I think you have to bear in mind the fabric of society, how society has formed over the years, the structure of the social order, and
the impact that that has had on people. I think understanding that is key to understanding why they would want to control the internet as much as
possible. and that revolves around the small end of the equation. Control of the regular dudes like, er, me.... You might be a government agent for
all I know!!!!
Another thing. Developing a contained world is not that hard. You dont create borders, you just, make certain places very hard to find. And you dont
need to do that by attacking what you dont want seen, you do that by promoting what you do want seen. Promoting sites that say the right stuff.
Driving traffic, controlling it. I got this idea from a book on php which introduces the subject of secure logins with a conditional look that asks
for your sex. It then routes all the girls to the main area with the message HELLO, and all the blokes to another area where it says PLEASE TALK
AMONGST YOURSELF HERE. It goes on forever, but I need to go to the pub and enjoy a snippet of this great summer evening!!!