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100 new Abu Ghraib pictures/videos to be released of children and women raped

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posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:19 PM
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The statement of women and children being raped by "American" innterogators is insane. I can not believe anyone would even believe this. Do you not think that there are others that would not report something like this? Also even if they did do something that insane do you really think they'd be somewhere where pics and videos could be taken of them raping children and women? I mean come on already, anyone who thinks that claim can even be true really is out of their mind. I can believe that NON-american intergators could do such acts, but even then i doubt it would be under American supervision and if it was it would have to be very secret and only a few American supervisers involved (sick supervisers). Young, undesciplined soilders far away from home in a hostile land taking pictures of each other with naked adult prisioners is one thing (even though it is wrong) but saying that "American" interigators are raping children and women is insane and then saying they did it were someone could take videos and pics is just over the top. What is wrong with some of you people? You need to think things out a little, you know?




posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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If the US .gov releases pictures of children being raped, wouldn't it in effect be distributing child pornography?

I have to vote no on this one, strictly on technical grounds, it was not a properly formatted news piece. I've only submitted one ASTNN article so far, but it was pretty clear in the instructions that opinions are supposed to come after a synopsis of the article and quotes from the article.

So I have to vote no, despite the fact that I beleive the original poster's allegations are probably true. More than one source I've seen has discussed young male prisoners being raped at Abu Ghraib, including sources within the US .mil.

As far as Americans being too inherently noble and good to do things like this, I think that's simply self deception. Americans as individuals are no better or worse than any other nationality, there are good people and scumbags in any group of people, the military is no exception.

[edit on 6/7/05 by xmotex]



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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The boingboing.net article (supporting link in the submission) provides a streaming link to the Seymour Hersh speech to the ACLU and a transcript quoted from dailykos.

" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."


I checked the dailykos article and watched the video. It claims that the above transcript starts at the 1:30:00 mark. But Hersh stops speaking at the 1:20:55 mark. His speech does appear to have been cut off at the end, but I used the same video that dailykos is claiming to have transcribed, and nowhere does he say those words. The nearest thing he says to it is the following:

"And so the bottom line is we have started something that we don't know the end...the bottom line is...about...of this treatment, and as more details come out...and I can tell you it was much worse and the government knows it's much worse. They've even told you there were worse photos, worse video tapes, worse events. To The New Yorker's credit we decided not for censorship but just because how much can you levy on the Arab manhood in public?"

[edit on 2005/6/7 by wecomeinpeace]



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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Thanks for your investigative work wecomeinpeace, you went above and beyond the call of duty as defined by yourself:



Okay, let's say for instance WorldNetDaily, Al Jazeera, or a government watchdog site report "TOP STORY: The Earth is round!" In this case, you should definitely vote
. Why? Because the source is a news network which has been shown to exhibit biased or unproven reporting in the past. Do not allow yourself to be troubled that in this particular case, the source material is absolutely, irrefutably correct. No. The important thing here is that the reporting source cannot be trusted, and thus anything and everything they report is forever pure and utter bunk - just like if one day we break the light barrier, any other theories that Einstein came up with will then instantly become complete garbage, and all nuclear weapons and power plants across the globe will suddenly stop working.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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Let's just see if they come out with all the pictures or not...



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Any pictures that are released will likely be the same thing as what we have seen already. Since there have been no proven allegations containing anything you posted in the introduction to this thread, it is clear we will not see pictures like that.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:48 PM
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Imo, if they are too gruesome to be shown to the public, i'd advocate they should at least be shown to a independent UN or NGO expert team, in order to assess the whole extent of the torture scandal.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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Again, this is so absurd. Let's just say for the sake of argument that they actually raped women and children as a form of interrigation (which they did not), do you really think that they'd be somewhere where someone could take pics and video or that they would even let someone take pics and videos. Some of you really need to start thinking a bit...



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Moretti,

If what is deemed too gruesome?

The pictures and videos that you claim are of children being raped do not exist according to anyone except you.

What are you suggesting be reviewed by others? Non existent images? Maybe a studio can whip up some computer renderings to fit the requirements? There are no such pictures. Even your own article didn't say they existed.

[edit on 6-7-2005 by Djarums]



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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You pulling my dirty laundry out in front of everyone there dj77?


I worry folks might misinterpret the satire of that one out of context as it is. Perhaps a more appropriate passage to this issue would have been:

For instance, if an independent media website proclaims that a section of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to search your home without showing you a search warrant first, move your mouse pointer over to the
button quick-smart and click that little bugger. Do NOT, under ANY circumstances, take the 2 minutes to google for "Partiot Act full text", open the webpage and confirm for yourself whether that section of the Act actually exists. Similarly, if a website other than CNN, BBC or another media giant claims that the U.S congress has passed a bill taking away any of your rights, do NOT search for the bill on a website provided by the U.S. government specifically for that purpose. Vote
as fast as you can and do your part in ATSNN's search for the truth. If you still feel the slight, niggling urge to check and see if the story is true or not, the only acceptable method for confirming the validity of reports is to do a quick google news search. If CNN, Fox, BBC, or any of the other biggies didn't report it, then hey, it's bunk! Easy! Remember that only huge media corporations can be trusted and you can't go wrong.



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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As most threads relating to prisoner abuse in the so-called "war on terror", this thread also belongs in the "war on terrorism" forum, imo.



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Moretti
As most threads relating to prisoner abuse in the so-called "war on terror", this thread also belongs in the "war on terrorism" forum, imo.


Here's mine, based solely on veracity and content of the initial post:



Lamenting the current disposition of this thread is an affront to the hard work put in by members posting legitimate content, vice agenda driven sensationalism.

Flushing Monkeys, not just for this thread anymore...



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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Being that no one has been able to show that any pictures of "women and children being raped" even exist, I don't think this thread belongs on the War on Terror forum at all. Perhaps the fiction one until proven otherwise?

It's really not a good practice to accuse someone of child rape without evidence.



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:35 PM
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Uh, what if the pictures ARE actually from Abu Ghraib prison, and do show what they supposedly show, but were taken BEFORE the U.S. invasion when saddam was still in control?

Be really easy for a bunch of U.S. bashers on ATS and elsewhere to try and pretend they were taken later when the U.S. was running the prison.

[edit on 6/8/2005 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Uh, what if the pictures ARE actually from Abu Ghraib prison, and do show what they supposedly show, but were taken BEFORE the U.S. invasion when saddam was still in control?

Be really easy for a bunch of U.S. bashers on ATS and elsewhere to try and pretend they were taken later when the U.S. was running the prison.


These pictures and videos are from the same collection as the last ones that were released. The last one showed US soldiers in them so they were not before the war.



NEW YORK -- A judge has ordered the government to release four videos from Abu Ghraib prison and dozens of photographs from the same collection as photos that touched off the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal a year ago.link



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 05:56 PM
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i still havent seen ani pictures of women and children being raped and torture by American soldiers so i guess dis is misleading thread.



posted on Jun, 8 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
i still havent seen ani pictures of women and children being raped and torture by American soldiers so i guess dis is misleading thread.


Since such pictures would not help provide informative discussions, ats and its respective boards prohibits such pictures being posted.

The pictures will be released but not to the general media, such pictures are not meant for everyone's casual viewing but for the courtroom. I'm supposing these trials will go silent (beyond media scrutiny) and punishment will be swift and painful.

On the condition these pictures are released would cause a disruption in the world vs. Iraq war. Main objective of the Bush admin is to have the full cooperation of all Iraq civillians. Releasing pictures depicting such atrocities, would create a negative attitude towards the entire US army. (as all are volunteers and put thier lives on the line everyday, such claims are not widespread, but restricted to only a few corrupt individuals)



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Moretti
at least be shown to a independent UN or NGO expert team, in order to assess the whole extent of the torture scandal.

What? No, the UN has nothing to do with this. They should be released to the public. Its generally known that there are photos that were 'too horrible', shown to the senators, to be shown to the public, but with allegations like this, its probably best to deal with it now, than let it simmer until later.

As most threads relating to prisoner abuse in the so-called "war on terror", this thread also belongs in the "war on terrorism" forum, imo.

It was voted down from ATSNN and, as a news article, got put here. Thems the breaks. Maybe next time, you can make an accurate submission?


aceofbase
These pictures and videos are from the same collection as the last ones that were released.

I think he is saying, 'everyone's pretty upset that the US would do it, but those same people don't think that the war was worth it to stop hussein from doing it'.

Releasing pictures depicting such atrocities, would create a negative attitude towards the entire US army.

Doesn't matter, especially if the pics and vids are what some are saying they are. THere has to be justice in these sorts of things. Maybe the pics don't have to be released and get full spreads in the papers, but something as horrible as that needs to be brought to the public's attention.



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by humbled_one
Again, this is so absurd. Let's just say for the sake of argument that they actually raped women and children as a form of interrigation (which they did not), do you really think that they'd be somewhere where someone could take pics and video or that they would even let someone take pics and videos. Some of you really need to start thinking a bit... [/quot

I did think about it and I seem to remember seeing Nazi films of tortue, human experiments, death camps, people herded like cattle to their deaths,
Piles of human bodies, people being shot in common graves etc. Have you forgotten. You see their is a possability as there is a precedent. I'm not comparing our troops to Nazis but war brings out the worst in Humans.



posted on Jun, 14 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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I do not trust the Bush administration on this whatsoever. But I still would like some evidence before we make such statements.

I have served incountry before and as much as I am against the war I do not want our service people indangered.

As I had mentioned in another post that the Bush Administration shoule be tough on this. This would give us a better light in the world. It appears from the lack of condemnation that the president condones it.



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