if evolution is true ......

do you own and command all your cells?
do your cells own and command you?

our cells are self aware consciousnesses capable of integrating information and adapting to thier environment, they can effect thier environment.

they can adapt and change and evolve!

knowing this, absolutley knowing this requires individual cells to download self preserve. for it is not required if they are free to communicate with eachother unconditionally.

can it be done without ending man's capability to father children?

if being verile is the epitome of self preserve, a way the cells have developed to pass on information to offspring, then how do we convince them to keep verility and disregard self-pre-serve which has proven to be thier driving source for purpose in the first place?

enlightenment & immortality vs. children & the spread of all humanity

tough choices.

sometimes finding the truth means death. not of 1 individual, but of an entire race.

maybe the some are here to help us with that little problem, considering so few of us are even aware of it existing.

The old question of what came first, the chicken or the egg? Can cells evolve? Well where do you think humans came from?

If you want to argue creationism then count me out.

Originally posted by Astronomer68

If you want to argue creationism then count me out.

you are definatley always counted in, in any discussion it nice to have someone to discuss with.

don't count yourself out. just asking for feedback, not expecting to offend anyone. besides the chiceggken came first, and everyone knows that!

luv always.

your DNA says differently.

They still doing low observables out there?

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Originally posted by Astronomer68
your DNA says differently.

They still doing low observables out there?

[edit on 6-6-2005 by Astronomer68]

observing, yes. participating, no. educating and sharing, always. and dna ..........

Your reply---and dna...... confused me, what is that supposed to mean?

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
if evolution is true ....do you own and command all your cells?do your cells own and command you?

Evoltion 'says' nothing of the sort for either.

our cells are self aware consciousnesses

No, they are not. THere is nothing that even suggests this.
[quiote]they can adapt and change and evolve![
As part of the species and organism, not on their own.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
if evolution is true ....do you own and command all your cells?do your cells own and command you?

Evoltion 'says' nothing of the sort for either.

our cells are self aware consciousnesses

No, they are not. THere is nothing that even suggests this.
[quiote]they can adapt and change and evolve!

[
As part of the species and organism, not on their own.


what if the brain cells can become self aware after generations of expanding thought and the macro-organisms demands of more knowledge?

is it truly that far off to see how what once took 30 brain cells to comprehend and store a complex thought may take only 10 after generations .....

and if only one, just one cell becomes self aware for just an instant, can it not deliver that message of self awareness?

individual cells, cellular micro-organisms can mutate and evolve in sight under microscopes.

can't billions of cells working together do the same together in a collaboration, or would the cells do more harm to the macro-organism?

could cancer be their failing attempt at immortality?

couldn't they try to work together, as to be noticed?

most simple minds when told enough times by enough people that they are stupid, do they not begin to believe it?

most simple minds when told enough times by enough people that they are ugly, do they not begin to believe it?

most simple minds when told enough times that they are not even self aware, do they not always believe it?


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The cells determine what the organism is. When the organism changes/evolves/mutates it is because the cells did so and they do so because their DNA tells them to. Therefore, the DNA determines practically everything and expresses itself through the cells which in turn (and following the blueprint inside the DNA) divide, clump together, specialize, etc. to form the overall organism.
Research over the last few years seems to indicate that cells somehow sense each other and respond to one another. I've never heard them called independent sentient organisms, nevertheless them seem to be aware. Whether or not they are self-aware remains to be determined. However, if cells do turn out to be self-aware (at the independent cell level) then the Roe -vs- Wade arguments will most definitely have to be revisited.

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A Couple of things:

1. Since humans have evolved and humans are a bunch of cells, we can say that human cells can evolve.

2. The egg came before the chicken. Because you don't have to be a chicken to lay a chicken egg. You just have to be a chicken-proto-hybrid to lay that egg. Since we now have two ways to make a chicken (by pure chicken egg laying or proto-chicken egg laying) and all bird life is an evolving continuum from an amoeba, it stands to reason that the proto-chicken came before the chicken and thus the egg before the chicken.

Originally posted by Astronomer68
The cells determine what the organism is. When the organism changes/evolves/mutates it is because the cells did so and they do so because their DNA tells them to. Therefore, the DNA determines practically everything and expresses itself through the cells which in turn (and following the blueprint inside the DNA) divide, clump together, specialize, etc. to form the overall organism.
Research over the last few years seems to indicate that cells somehow sense each other and respond to one another. I've never heard them called independent sentient organisms, nevertheless them seem to be aware. Whether or not they are self-aware remains to be determined. However, if cells do turn out to be self-aware (at the independent cell level) then the Roe -vs- Wade arguments will most definitely have to be revisited.

[edit on 7-6-2005 by Astronomer68]

[edit on 7-6-2005 by Astronomer68]

then Roe -vs-Wade will be revisited.

according to popular belief:

cells are not consciously self aware?

then people are saying that

cells are zero in the self aware department, but collectively they are not?

then here is the belief system of humanity:

0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + (zero for each cell) = 1?

how does 1 come from any amount of zeros?

0 + 0 + 0 to the infinite degree still equalls zero, doesn't it?

then how can any amount of zero self awarenesses be self aware?

either math is flawed, or the macro-organisms are.