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uk government to intsall car tracking devices.

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posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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from the times.

first in the uk, then europe, then the world seems to be the way it will go.

a way to controll congestion, but i don't want the governemnt to know my everymove.




THE government plans to replace fuel tax with a new road charge on motorists based on the distance and time of day they travel.
Alistair Darling, the transport secretary, this weekend indicated that fuel duty will have to be scrapped in order to pave the way for a new road pricing scheme. This would dramatically cut the price of petrol — duty currently accounts for 47p per litre — but motorists would face a new charge of up to £1.34 a mile. Journeys at peak times and on the busiest roads would cost most.



In his first interview since the election, Darling said the changes were necessary to prevent roads reaching “complete gridlock”. He wants a pilot project to be approved during Labour’s third term.

The move, which is also likely to see road tax scrapped, would mark the biggest shake-up in motoring taxation since fuel duty was introduced in 1909.

“The idea of distance[-based] charging is that instead of paying the present form of taxation, you’d be charged on the distance you go,” Darling said.

“You are certainly not talking about a charge on top of another charge. You can’t have both. This would be a completely different concept, a completely different way of doing things.”

Fuel duty on petrol and diesel provides the Treasury with about £22 billion a year. A further £4.6 billion is raised annually through road tax.

Darling is confident that the technology will be in place within the next 10-15 years for a nationwide scheme. A satellite tracking system would monitor black boxes inside every car. “Top-of-the-range cars have got satellite navigation kits fitted almost as standard now,” Darling said.

“In another 10 years I expect every car will be fitted with this equipment. So it makes sense to see whether or not you can’t use that to good advantage and give drivers a better deal.”

Darling will outline government plans to take road pricing forward at a lecture this week organised by the Social Market Foundation think tank.

Although a nationwide scheme would not be introduced for a decade at the earliest, Darling plans to present a bill in the current parliament to set up a pilot project in a large conurbation, such as the West Midlands or Greater Manchester, within “five or six years”.

He says a decision on road pricing will have to be taken “during the course of this parliament”, providing political consensus can be reached across the parties.

“If we don’t do anything it’s pretty clear to me, when you look at all the trends, we would face complete gridlock,” he said.

“More and more cars will grind to a halt and the generations to come will curse those people of my generation who didn’t do anything about it.”

Scrapping fuel duty and road tax is likely to make road pricing more acceptable to motorists. “We’ve got to take the British people with us,” said Darling.

Last year a government- commissioned feasibility study on road pricing concluded that distance-based charges could cut congestion by half.

Drivers would be charged different rates depending on the time of day, their location and the distance travelled.

Charges would start at 2p a mile for rural roads, while journeys on the busiest urban routes would cost up to £1.34 a mile at peak times, according to the study.

The report claimed that about half of drivers would pay less in road charges than they currently do in fuel duty.

“If fuel duty were removed completely . . . [rural drivers] would be paying much less and the other side of the coin is that city dwellers would pay much more,” said Stephen Glaister, professor of transport and infrastructure at Imperial College, London.

Environmental groups fear that replacing existing taxes with distance-based charges would discourage drivers from switching to greener cars. Large gas guzzlers that are less fuel efficient than small vehicles would cost less to run if fuel duty were scrapped.

“If the government scrapped fuel tax and road tax, this would remove incentives for people to buy greener cars and climate change emissions could rise,” said Tony Bosworth of Friends of the Earth.

Last year the number of cars on Britain’s roads was 25.8m. This is set to rise to 31.9m by 2015, according to the Commission for Integrated Transport, which advises the government.



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am i barking up the wrong tree, or does it seem like control is become more and more obvious?




posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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They're getting sloppy, but the general public have no idea about what is going on. Although I am somewhat a fan of a GPS recorder, on cars as it could help speed up crime cases I do sometimes worry if they would use it to frame someone.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 03:44 PM
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Yeah, i seen this on the news, the issue about "tracking devices" was basically shrugged off, as if to say, it "is" going to happen, and become the norm.
I agree with you to an extent Odium, they would be a good way to control and help things such as speeding, and road crimes.
However, i am not sure that this would be the "main" purpose for these devices. They could help in certain ways, but every motorist is going to have their freedom and anonimity taken away from them with these Recorders.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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I think it will be good. Hopefully civillians can't use them. For kids my age, when we don't want our parents to know where we are. that would be bad.


dh

posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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While the system proposes the relief of congestion, by progressive charging from the least to the most congested routes, this is purely figleaf propaganda, disguising the imposition of a control grid, which in conjunction with the ID Card/later microchip implant ensures that the state knows the whereabouts and behaviour of all citizens at all times

This is necessary for this controlling fascist state which needs to modify the behaviour of people whether individuals or in groups
Of course the unaware environmentalists and those who see the government tactics as essentially benign will welcome the change, especially as it involves the abolishment of vehicle tax

Beware - we are under the most malign form of governance and this proposal should be fought as vigorously as the ID card



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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Everything is two-sided, it's all well and good to say they'll be used to control us but it all depends on the Government we have in power. I personnally think an ID card, which is hard to forge/nearly impossible is a good thing. I get stopped a lot by the Police (way I look) and the fact I carry my driving licence on me speeds it up so much, I flash that, they write it down and I go on my way - without the ID I have to give my name, address, date of birth then wait as they check it up. Normally taking about 20 minutes to 30minutes.

I also think a system that records what we do/where we go, isn't bad as long as it is kept in the cars (so only where the cars go) and such things as CCTV camera's, although I easily see how this can be abused and I know CCTV does not stop crime it can be helped to solve it. Meaning Court Cases and Police Time are better spent, I myself would rather not have the hours and hours of worthless Legal and Police fees that at present clog the system up and have tehm better spent - which is the alternative. We just need to make sure; as a people, that we do not let these systems be abused.


dh

posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Odium
Everything is two-sided, it's all well and good to say they'll be used to control us but it all depends on the Government we have in power. I personnally think an ID card, which is hard to forge/nearly impossible is a good thing. I get stopped a lot by the Police (way I look) and the fact I carry my driving licence on me speeds it up so much, I flash that, they write it down and I go on my way - without the ID I have to give my name, address, date of birth then wait as they check it up. Normally taking about 20 minutes to 30minutes.

I also think a system that records what we do/where we go, isn't bad as long as it is kept in the cars (so only where the cars go) and such things as CCTV camera's, although I easily see how this can be abused and I know CCTV does not stop crime it can be helped to solve it. Meaning Court Cases and Police Time are better spent, I myself would rather not have the hours and hours of worthless Legal and Police fees that at present clog the system up and have tehm better spent - which is the alternative. We just need to make sure; as a people, that we do not let these systems be abused.


There is only a single corporate government and they only want control of you and us
They'll supply you with a million reasons why it's easier if you lay back and let them control you by electronic means
In the end they'll screw you as it benefits them and kill you if you are worthless to their project
Unless you seek to overthrow them and their agenda you have No Control

[edit on 7-6-2005 by dh]



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by dh
There is only a single corporate government and they only want control of you and us
They'll supply you with a million reasons why it's easier if you lay back and let them control you by electronic means
In the end they'll screw you as it benefits them and kill you if you are worthless to their project
Unless you seek to overthrow them and their agenda you have No Control


You have such little Faith; the people always will break through. No matter how smart they think they are, one person is always smarter. You just need to know how to hit them where it hurts. Let them have their moment; let them bring in the ID card and the GPS tracking of cars. The real stand is getting our guns back in Britain and stopping the CHIP. These can be used more to "Our" advantage.



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