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HR-1528 Sensenbrunner Taking Away Your Rights !!! Take Action Now

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posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 12:15 PM
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"We're in the fight of our lives in Washington, DC. High-ranking members of Congress want to take the war on drugs to a whole new level."


HR-1528: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to protect taxpayers and ensure accountability of the Internal Revenue Service is a new bill that was submitted by R- Sensenbrunner from WI, the most appalling documented abomination of our civil rights in history. In short it creates a new law that is punishable by a federal mandatory sentence of 2 years just for NOT spying on your neighbors, on your friends, and on your own family!

This new bill is quite effictively dubbed ...
"Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005."

Defending America's Most Vulnerable !!!




posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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wow! no one cares about this???



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Sorry, but this has been gone over a few times.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...
just to name two.
It is actually laughable since all that it means is that the goverment has finally given up a lost war. the war on drugs and it needs john q. public to do it's dirty work for them. A war that they never were going to win with all he various gov't officials and agencies in the pockets of the drug dealers.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by kenshiro2012

www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...



ok i just took the time to read those threads. The first one is locked and can not be viewed. the second one deals with the War on Drugs and how the Govt. of USA is giving up its fight against the cartels.

My post goes into how they are going to fight the War on Drugs ... or should it be called the War on Freedom.

My post goes into how this law is being fast tracked by Sensenbrunner, and how it is going to change your life.

This is not a thread that should be passed over. This new law is an outrage! This new law is worse than a terrorist attack. They are serious. they want you to spy on your own family members ... and if you don't.... you are locked up for no less than 2 years in federal prison camps.


WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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I have once said and still beleive that sometime in the past someone realized that Humans are animals. Very smart animals, and very smart animals can be trained to do anything, say anything and even beleive anything. All you needed to do was find the right motivation. The right bell for pavlov if you will.

The carrott and donkey scenerio. For some the carrott is money, for others it is power, for others it is fame or fortune. It is all a carrott though. There to get the population moving, there to get the population to focus on, and while the population is dreaming the dreaming and focusing in on the carrott the powers that be can do whatever they want.

Well in my opinion anyway...



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Passer By
The carrott and donkey scenerio. For some the carrott is money, for others it is power, for others it is fame or fortune. It is all a carrott though. there to get the population to focus on, and while the population is dreaming the dreaming and focusing in on the carrott the powers that be can do whatever they want.


Thank you! I think you are absolutely 100% correct. As long as the public is paying attention to their luxuries "materialism" they will not focus on politics. Thats why the politicians are taking advantage of us. They see that we are vain materialistic creatures. Well NOT ALL OF US !!! And they will hear that cry soon enough!

You were very inciteful, thank you.



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 10:30 PM
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so i wonder how long before they start to arrest people who fail drug tests? isn't that the logical thing to do? if using drugs are illegal, why isn't action taken against those that fail? is it not like a cop letting a drunk driver go who just failed a breath test? AMERIKA needs to be free from all these hooligans. there should be mass arrests of these violators to take them out of the peace loving, rightfully god fearing, and the best society in the world. AMERIKA needs to make the world a safe place for mediocrity, govt control, and a public that should fear the govt in the way god is feared.... because next to god is AMERIKA..................








"your lack of being informed does not make me a wacko."



posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by clearmind
AMERIKA needs to be free from all these hooligans. there should be mass arrests of these violators to take them out of the peace loving, rightfully god fearing, and the best society in the world.


I know a lot of people, and a lot of those people do use drugs ... and now i am supposed to report them to the government? That is crazy & I won't do it.

America Is a Great Country BECAUSE We value other religions, other people, other cultures. We are a melting pot of ideas. We used to educate our children. We have a sense of pride in being american because we have won a few wars, and toppled a few empires. Many people have died to keep this Country the Land Of the FREE and the Home of the Brave. In a Free Country I can do whatever I want, as the saying goes, "my freedom ends at your nose". as long as i am not hurting anyone then I can do whatever i want.



Originally posted by clearmind

and a public that should fear the govt in the way god is feared.... because next to god is AMERIKA..................



Wow! What chapter of the Nazi's are you from? If you believe that you are supposed to fear your own government, i am sorry my brother, you have been lead astray. The government is supposed to be ...

Of the People, By the People, and For the People ...

It is not something to be affraid of, it is something we are supposed to be proud of...its supposed to be a symbol of hope.


When is the last time that you have read the Declaration of Independence?

Let me just give you one quick line ...

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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ok folks this is really happening!

The Supreme Court just overruled the states today. Medical Marajana is Illegal.

Read more here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:11 PM
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Pardon my quoting, but...

"Creates a new offense for persons who witness or learn about certain drug offenses that fail to report the drug offender to the police within 24 hours or fail to provide full assistance to the police in tracking and prosecuting the offender. Offenses that would get someone a 2-year minimum sentence, including failing to report a neighbor that is storing or selling drugs when that neighbor has kids, failing to report anyone that gives a joint to someone under the age of 21, and failing to report a college student that is selling marijuana on a college campus"

Exactly how would this be proven?

Remember, the burden of proof is NOT on the accused.

Or did that change, too?


Don't get me wrong - I'm of course concerned about what I perceive as the War on Drugs (it's a waste of resources, time, energy and just about everything else)....but I'm not about to panic about legislation that would appear to be nigh on impossible to act upon.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:42 PM
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why would they put it in the Internal Revenue Code?

just wondering, don't they have any kind of filing system, or categorization in the place? They seem to slap some of the strangest bills in the strangest places.
to me, this is more law enforcement than it is IRS material.

maybe it comes with huge tax breaks to bribe enough people into supporting their removal of liberty, who knows.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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What is the problem here?
Think about it for a second. If you know of a crime is about to be commited, know a crime is being commited, knew of a crime that had been commited, by law, if you do not report such crimes or if you fail to assist investigator, you can be held as either an accessory to the crime. Charged with withholding information, and even impeding justice. This has been contested a number of times and so far to date, they have all failed.
This has been in the court system for decades! All this bill does is an attempt to enforce laws that are already in place,
I do not like it but there has been around for a very long time



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Exactly how would this be proven?

Remember, the burden of proof is NOT on the accused.

Or did that change, too?






Basically, if you do not report someone you will face a mandatory 2 year federal sentence!

The way they would prosecute this is ... any one with a grudge or a personal vendeta will report you to the police... and then the burdon of proof is back on you... because the prosecution has its witness.

This is going to be the next Witch Hunt... and no one is safe.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
why would they put it in the Internal Revenue Code?


The war on Drugs ... Or "the war on freedom" ... has always been fought, because of the billions of dollars that are going untaxed!

They don't care about you ... they just want more taxes so they can fight more wars.


Does it make anyone else sick that you work from January 1st all the way to April 1st ... just to pay your taxes ??? Unless you are in a higher tax bracket and then it could be from January to June !

And why does the govt need my money? surely to feed to poor, eradicate homelessness, and provide a better education for our children... hell a health care program would be nice ... BUT NO! They spend our hard earned money to fight a war on the other side of the world against a nation that isn't even a threat to us! Wake up people!!!



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
why would they put it in the Internal Revenue Code?

just wondering, don't they have any kind of filing system, or categorization in the place? They seem to slap some of the strangest bills in the strangest places.
to me, this is more law enforcement than it is IRS material.

maybe it comes with huge tax breaks to bribe enough people into supporting their removal of liberty, who knows.


The US had to put all the drugs under the IRS at one point in time. I have a movie on it somewhere. It had to do with the idea that when each state could control it's own drug agency, and when reffer madness was in full swing, the government knew they couldn't get every state to pass their stupid law as some had alreayd done research and had found that MJ had no ill long term side effects and thus wouldn't go along with the plan.

The government knowing they couldn't only institute this crime if it was across the board. When the government drug lords came knockign many states simply told them to bugger off and that they had no jurisdiction. So the government put the drug guy under the umberella of the IRS, which superceeded the states, and refermadness went national!!

Since then every single test has shown that MJ is a safe, viable, abundent, unending researce. But if MJ was legal can you imagine what would happen to the big drug companies of america?

Stuff off the top of my head MJ could be used instead of...

Anicin
Tylenol
Advil
Midol

Not to mention expensive MS, HIV and Aids drugs.



Now do you know why it is illegal? Because, like Cows, you are only production units to these people.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 02:40 PM
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Well...no.

Though it'd be a nice idea, MJ isn't the panacea of the planet. It doesn't have much use as an anti-inflammatory, and although it can help many pain syndromes, the physical agents present in most NSAIDS would still be more useful (and cheaper, let's face it) than MJ for inflammatory-based pain.

It has no antiviral or antibiotic properties either - and though it's a valuable aid to relaxation and has an intriguing (if not fully understood) opiate quality which no doubt would be invaluable in MS and cancer patients, this can also be accomplished through other means. It has a much more limited value amongst juvenile patients, too.

I'm actually a member of NORML, and I've been campaigning for (at the very least) medical marijuana use for years now - but even I have to concede that it's not the cure-all we'd all like it to be.

It wouldn't put Tylenol out of business any time soon, that's for sure.

Apologies in advance if these links have already been cited:
www.nih.gov...

Now yes, it IS an NIH-based page, which of course will lead to the inevitable charges of conspiracies and/or other manipulations by the government - I'm not disputing that this happens. But it does cite some real, verifiable studies and accounts that can be (and have been) verified independently by both US- and non US-based peers and activists.

Another couple of sources:

www.medicalmj.org...
www.maps.org...

I'm ever-hopeful that at some point our governments will concede that THC can be a valuable component in healthcare. But this is guaranteed not to happen whilst we're trying to tout medical MJ as a panacea.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Where2Hide2006

Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Exactly how would this be proven?

Remember, the burden of proof is NOT on the accused.

Or did that change, too?






Basically, if you do not report someone you will face a mandatory 2 year federal sentence!

The way they would prosecute this is ... any one with a grudge or a personal vendeta will report you to the police... and then the burdon of proof is back on you... because the prosecution has its witness.

This is going to be the next Witch Hunt... and no one is safe.


Ok you've lost me there. How would it be proven that you've had knowledge of this crime being committed? Sure, anyone with a grudge can report you....but the burdon of proof is still not with you. Unless you mean something different?

Am I missing something too? Is this simply not a case of a law that's been around forever simply being expanded to include illegal activities that weren't included before?



[edit on 6-6-2005 by Tinkleflower]



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006

Originally posted by Tinkleflower


Ok you've lost me there. How would it be proven that you've had knowledge of this crime being committed? Sure, anyone with a grudge can report you....but the burdon of proof is still not with you. Unless you mean something different?

Them reporting you means that they will fully cooperate with the investigators ... which means that the prosecution has a witness against you.

That moves the burden back onto you. How do you prove that you never did something?

This will be like the Black Lists of the Communist Witch Hunt... err, far worse!




[edit on 6-6-2005 by Tinkleflower]



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Well...no.

Though it'd be a nice idea, MJ isn't the panacea of the planet. It doesn't have much use as an anti-inflammatory, and although it can help many pain syndromes, the physical agents present in most NSAIDS would still be more useful (and cheaper, let's face it) than MJ for inflammatory-based pain.

It has no antiviral or antibiotic properties either - and though it's a valuable aid to relaxation and has an intriguing (if not fully understood) opiate quality which no doubt would be invaluable in MS and cancer patients, this can also be accomplished through other means. It has a much more limited value amongst juvenile patients, too.

I'm actually a member of NORML, and I've been campaigning for (at the very least) medical marijuana use for years now - but even I have to concede that it's not the cure-all we'd all like it to be.

It wouldn't put Tylenol out of business any time soon, that's for sure.

Apologies in advance if these links have already been cited:
www.nih.gov...

Now yes, it IS an NIH-based page, which of course will lead to the inevitable charges of conspiracies and/or other manipulations by the government - I'm not disputing that this happens. But it does cite some real, verifiable studies and accounts that can be (and have been) verified independently by both US- and non US-based peers and activists.

Another couple of sources:

www.medicalmj.org...
www.maps.org...

I'm ever-hopeful that at some point our governments will concede that THC can be a valuable component in healthcare. But this is guaranteed not to happen whilst we're trying to tout medical MJ as a panacea.




Well, All I have is about 15-20 people who have used it for everything. I simply don''t use any painkillers anymore other than MJ and I was hooked on T3's for a bit. Not one girl I know uses either advil or Midol anymore instead chosing to use MJ.

Because - it is FREE.

Remember that the cost of MJ is primarily because of the illegality of it. I don't personally grow myself, but I have, and I know a network of about 15 people that grow just out of the city. I get it freely, as such I pass it off freely.

If it wasn't illegal, and was allowed to grow as nature intended - it would be freely available to anyone that wanted it. Because of the institutional cruelity our soicety seems to be unable to let go of it, and while we are trying to paint a new picture for society, it is important that we ignore the previous frames.

At least in my opinion.



posted on Jun, 6 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkleflower


Am I missing something too? Is this simply not a case of a law that's been around forever simply being expanded to include illegal activities that weren't included before?



[edit on 6-6-2005 by Tinkleflower]



yeah you are missing something... this law has been expanded to include manadatory FEDERAL prison sentence for pot heads.

Also 3 strikes and your out... now includes pot heads! that means that if you caught with pot 3 times ... then you are locked up for LIFE without parole... this is a clear violation of the 8th amendment!

Also, Now you have to spy on your neighbors, family, and friends ... and if you do not report them then you face a Mandatory 2 year sentence.

How are they going to prosecute that? I don't want to know!




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