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Originally posted by spamandham
You are free to decide for yourself what is "right" and "wrong". You are only bound to the commands of thousands-of-years-old books of mythology if you choose to be.
Croatman, Jesus did not for a "catholic" church, he formed his own way of teaching which was called Christian. The Roman church formed the "catholic" church. No where in the Bible is the word "catholic" mentioned. If i am wrong , please let me know where...
I thank everyone for their input on this thread. I am in no way trying to be argumentive, so i hope it is not perceived that way...
2. When did the Church established by Christ get the name Catholic ?
Christ left the adoption of a name for His Church to those whom He commissioned to teach all nations. Christ called the spiritual society He established, "My Church" (Mt. xvi, 18), "the Church" (Mt. xviii, 17). In order to make a distinction between the Church and the Synagogue and to have a distinguishing name from those embracing Judaic and Gnostic errors we find St. Ignatius (50-107 A.D.) using the Greek word "Katholicos" (universal) to describe the universality of the Church established by Christ. St. Ignatius was appointed Bishop of Antioch by St. Peter, the Bishop of Rome. It is in his writings that we find the word Catholic used for the first time. St. Augustine, when speaking about the Church of Christ, calls it the Catholic Church 240 times in his writings.
5. Cannot the Congregationalist make out an equally strong case for a universal Spiritual Brotherhood, but with local independence of churches ?
There is no evidence of independent local churches in Scripture, nor in primitive documents. There is evidence that there were distinct groups of Christians in various places, just as there are Catholics in New York under one Bishop, and Catholics in London under another. All true Christians certainly formed a universal spiritual brotherhood, as Catholics do today; but local autonomy existed only in the sense that there were Bishops in charge of various localities, the Bishops themselves being subject to St. Peter, and after his death, to the successor of St. Peter.
Originally posted by Croat56
We do not just make up our own rules. God made these rules. It evan sais in the bible that not all of Jesus's teachings are in the bible for there is no way you could fit it all in 1 book. The catholic church never killed any1 for not believing.
[edit on 6/6/2005 by Croat56]
Originally posted by humbled_one
Croat, do you not know about the inquistion and the crusades? You really need to look up the history of the Roman Church...
[edit on 6-6-2005 by humbled_one]
Originally posted by roger_pearse
Or so speak those of the selfish generation who rule our day, as their excuse for exploiting the rest of us. Hitler thought the same.
Originally posted by marg6043Then you most ask why later on people started to deviate from the original Church teaching on how to understand the teachings of the bible, and new denominations of the Church started to sprout all over until now, with new interpretations.
If we are to follow what the original church was teaching we will be in the dark ages again and the age of reason will be gone.
Originally posted by humbled_oneWhich means this all comes down to my original question again in that how can you and others make these claims unless you are saying that the texts did not mention the sexually immoral and/or fornicators were bad sinners....
Originally posted by humbled_one
but i am mainly talking about people just hooking up for sex, etc. It really is a selfish act and it does not really progress someone spiritually.