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Originally posted by RAB
3. Has the F-35 have PIRATE?
Or I'm I confused?
The PIRATE, or Passive Infra Red Airborne Tracking Equipment is a 2nd generation Imaging Infra Red (IIR) system and performs this duty of passive detection. PIRATE is constructed by the EuroFirst consortium led by Pilkington-Thorn Optronics (now Thales Optronics).
PIRATE incorporates both a Forward Looking Infra Red (or FLIR) and Infra Red Search and Track (or IRST) capability. The system itself utilises a highly sensitive Infra Red sensor mounted to the port side of the canopy. This equipment scans across wavelengths from 3 to 11 µm in two bands. This allows the detection of both the hot exhaust plumes of jet engines as well as surface heating caused by friction. By supercooling the sensor even small variations in temperature can be detected at long range. Although no definitive ranges have been released an upper limit of 80nm has been hinted at, a more typical figure would be 30 to 50nm. The use of processing techniques further enhances the output, giving a near high resolution image of targets. The actual output from the system can be directed to any of the Multi-function Head Down Displays mounted within the cockpit. Additionally the image can be overlaid on both the Helmet Mounted Sight and Head Up Display.
The IIR sensor is stabilised within its mount so that it can maintain a target within its field of view. Up to 200 targets can be simultaneously tracked by the system using one of several different modes; Multiple Target Track (MTT), Single Target Track (STT), Single Target Track Ident (STTI), Sector Acquisition and Slaved Acquisition. In MTT mode the system will scan a designated volume space looking for potential targets. In STT mode PIRATE will provide high precision tracking of a single designated target. An addition to this mode, STT Ident allows for visual identification of the target, the resolution being superior to that provided by CAPTOR. Both Sector and Slave Acquisition demonstrate the level of sensor fusion present in the Typhoon. When in Sector Acquisition mode PIRATE will scan a volume of space under direction of another Typhoon sensor such as CAPTOR. In Slave Acquisition the use of off-board sensors is made with PIRATE being commanded by data obtained from an AWACS for example. When a target is found in either of these modes PIRATE will automatically designate it and switch to STT.
Once a target has been tracked and identified PIRATE can be used to cue an appropriately equipped short range missile, i.e. a missile with a high off-boresight tracking capability such as ASRAAM. Additionally the data can be used to augment that of CAPTOR or off-board sensor information via the AIS. This should enable the Typhoon to overcome severe ECM environments and still engage its targets.
Originally posted by waynos
Stealth Spy, PIRATE is the most advanced system of its kind in the world and is one of the technologies that the US has bought in for the F/A-22
Many anecdotes exist concerning particularly US aircrew, who unfamiliar with the ALARM's vertical mode of attack, believed a SAM had been launched at them. Stories also abound of RAF aircrew calling out ALARM launches on open frequencies, upon which the eavesdropping Iraqis would shut down for several minutes, regardless of whether a missile had actually been launched ! (BAe)
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Originally posted by waynos
Stealth Spy, PIRATE is the most advanced system of its kind in the world and is one of the technologies that the US has bought in for the F/A-22
That's an astounding post. But i wont be surprised if its true.
Any links to support your claim.
Question : Will Germany, Spain, Italy be getting the F-35 too ??
Originally posted by RAB
Ok some may think that this belongs in that weps section but I do NOT! As it's the F-35 that will provide the must important bit in this idea.
Right may thoughts, the RAF ALARM missile is a bit big:
Primary Function: Air-to-ground tactical anti-radar missile
Weight: 265 kilograms (583 pounds)
Length: 4.30m (169 inches)
Guidance System: Passive Radar Homing
Source: RAF website www.raf.mod.uk ot more detail at:
www.fas.org...
OK so I think it's a safe bet to say that it will not fit in the internal bays, so the RAF will carry four under the wings, this raises one or maybe two questions.
1. The alarm is a passive missile so could a sam detect the missile on the F35 before firing?
2. Just assuming the the SAM cannot see the F35 loaded with the alarms, would the F35 be in a position to obtain the targeting information using it's own radar. Or as I think will the F35 have to get the targeting information from a AWACS platform or blind fire the missile?
3. Has the F-35 have PIRATE?
Or I'm I confused?
RAB
Originally posted by RAB
Folks, I think you are confused here! PIRATE is in inferred targeting system. Anti-Radar Missiles are targeted using a Radar Homing And Warning Reciever. They home in on the radar signal from the radar site they are targeting.
Can the SAM radar not detect the fact that the Radar Homing And Warning Reciever stuff is picking up the radar, and then work back?
the system is PASSIVE so how could a radar detect it
Reason for asking about PIRATE is that you could fly with your radar off, to the rough target area then blind fire the ALARM or HARM missile, and the RADAR guys would be none the wiser!
welcome to a weasel mission!
RAB
Originally posted by RAB
Can the SAM radar not detect the fact that the Radar Homing And Warning Reciever stuff is picking up the radar, and then work back?
RAB