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"Prayer" to aliens can create real contact???

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posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Kitsunegari
i'm going to try this, does anyone have any suggestions on what exactly i should do. like how do i direct my thoughts, or prayers, to them. and do i have to be outside, or can i ask them to come to me inside(due to the fact that i want to do this sooner, rather than later and it is raining like hell outside)? any and all help would be greatly appreciated


Trust me...you don't want to do this.




posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 01:22 PM
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Hi Paul-
Well yeah it is definition, and how you perceive it. I personally dont see any evidence of any extra-terrestials whatsoever...so Zeta, and all that is lost on me. Not that it couldnt be, I just havent seen any real data to show it.

As far as my opinion, I believe it all to be a product of our reality interferred with by a consciouness not in our reality, but with the ability to achieve tangibility through our perception/attention/will.

Hows that for a mouthful.



posted on Jun, 7 2005 @ 01:59 PM
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Hi jritzmann,


Originally posted by jritzmann
Hi Paul-
Well yeah it is definition, and how you perceive it. I personally dont see any evidence of any extra-terrestials whatsoever...so Zeta, and all that is lost on me. Not that it couldnt be, I just havent seen any real data to show it.

As far as my opinion, I believe it all to be a product of our reality interferred with by a consciouness not in our reality, but with the ability to achieve tangibility through our perception/attention/will.

Hows that for a mouthful.


Yes, that is indeed a mouthful.

IMHO, it is important to distinguish between the incarnate aliens and those who we can communicate with through telepathic means. I have been to Pagan gatherings, Bahai gatherings, Christian gatherings, Hindu gatherings, New Age gatherings, UFO-alien gatherings, etc. Whether you call it communing, invoking, channeling, mediumship, whatever, it is all a form of telepathy. Spirits of all kinds -- including alien spirits-- all communicate telepathically.

Incarnate aliens do not have telepathic ability. I have had a number of close calls in almost getting abducted. In having analyzed Zetan tactics, I have thus far eluded capture. If they had telepathic ability, they would have seen through any measures of defense on my part.

In light of the above, if one is in contact with someone telepathically, rest assured that it is a spirit or group thereof and not physical aliens.



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 01:22 AM
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^^ That is, if we believe in 'incarnate Zetans' and such a thing as a 'spirit alien to Earth'.

There is a reason it is called Ritual, and there is a reason it is called SpiRitual. It can have to do with YOUR spirit, or other spirits.

Not 'alien' spirits, evil spirits, human spirits, undead spirits and so on and so forth.

These are properly called guises.

And they are properly called geniuses.

Notice the similarity to Genie, and Disguise?
Alright, no further lessons today as to the meanings of conjuring, invoking, or how sorcery is different from magick.
(Damn, thats some good timings, synchronicity too)

[edit on 10-6-2005 by akilles]



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 10:11 AM
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Good word smithing Akilles...


I generally lump "alien spirits" into the category of discarnates that have incarnated on a planet other than this one. But there are wide variations of these. My Saint Amanda for example is quite different than a Lam/discarnate Grey but she is nevertheless an alien spirit.

An "evil spirit" is simply a discarnate that is on an evil path in the Lower Realms. Many of these go under on a daily basis from retrogression away from The Light. Which is good for ALL THAT IS; otherwise, STS forces would have completely taken over Creation eons ago. The Light indirectly prevents them from total domination.

"Human spirits" are just Homo sapien souls who are now on the Other Side.

I don't like or use the term "undead." It brings up inaccurate imagery of dead corpses somehow managing to move around through supernatural means. Rotting flesh can't move anything. So that whole notion is bogus.

As to the additional lessons you offer, I think you have the makings of a new thread.



[edit on 10-6-2005 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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gotcha Paul_Richard, thinking back on it, that is probably a REALLY bad idea.

thanks!

--Kit.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:21 PM
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After perusing this thread, it has just reaffirmed my belief that there is more EGO among so-called metaphysicians than by any other facet of humanity.Not to change the subject.
As for me, they have been in my life since age 5, and I agreed to deliver their messages when I became and adult.
Never have I done anything for personal gain, as they have shown me that 'if you cannot take it with you when you transition, it is greed.'
Sirius is the origin of the Counsel I am affiliated with and the benevolent grays have saved my life and protected me since I can remember.
IF one wants the responsibility of interacting with them, then all you must do is believe and tell them you agree to be a vessel for their messages.


[edit on 28-9-2005 by siriuslyone]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by siriuslyone

IF one wants the responsibility of interacting with them, then all you must do is believe and tell them you agree to be a vessel for their messages.


[edit on 28-9-2005 by siriuslyone]


Hi again Siriuslyone, hope you've been really well, just quickly, are you saying anyone can essentially be a vessel for their message? the reason I ask, because that statement in itself is assisting Disclosure and perhaps those who really want to know........ well you've just been told .
Am I right in saying this?

Wow.!!



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by one_small_step

Originally posted by siriuslyone

IF one wants the responsibility of interacting with them, then all you must do is believe and tell them you agree to be a vessel for their messages.


[edit on 28-9-2005 by siriuslyone]


Hi again Siriuslyone, hope you've been really well, just quickly, are you saying anyone can essentially be a vessel for their message? the reason I ask, because that statement in itself is assisting Disclosure and perhaps those who really want to know........ well you've just been told .
Am I right in saying this?

Wow.!!


Yes, I have been well, hope you are..
Well. as a child I had no idea that no other kids had a gray to play with..lol
One must be SIRIUS, and not just experimenting, and they will come, as they have told us they use telepathy, thus that is why they need a human to speak through...nobody has ever seen a gray speak, have they?

IOW, it depends in what incarnation one is in, whether spacial, davic or angelic..
Only spacials will FEEL led to give up their voice for them to use...
I hope this makes sense, if not u2u me and I will explain the 3 incarnational types..
I have been/am working for disclosure, they have increased the number of motherships on and past the moon.
Great hearing from you again...



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by EarthSister
Humans think like humans and believe a lot of wild silly things because they are popular.

There are no real demons. There is no force out to get us or make us do wrong things. Demons are figments of imagination like the boogeyman.

Fear is real and the unknowns are real, but what we make up about them is not real.


Soo....by your own words prayer is to be directed towards god but there is no such thing is demons? Suposing god is super natural then why would'nt there be demons? Sorry to beat a dead horse but it doesnt really make sense. On to the topic at hand. Supposing I want to contact an alien. You say to reach out to them by any means. How does one go about doing that? Do they have a dedicated fax line or a corporate email addy I can just zing a forward off too? In all seriousness though really how do you do it. We don't know what even to direct it too. I don't know what they look like or what their official names are. So if I put

Dear Mr. Alien
Will you please show yourself to me?
Sincerely
Whompa1

Will that work or do I need to be more specific?



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 01:04 AM
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EarthSister and muzzelflash, demons are real as are angels, and I attest to that not just with telepathic and other extra-sensory perception, although that occurs as well, but have seen with my senses and in the case of demons, in one deliverance, have smelled the infamous sulphur you sometimes hear about. I don't know if all demons smell of sulphur, and doubt that is the case, but as one demon was being cast out, the smell of sulphor filled the air.

I can tell you without any doubt that demons do exist, and have had some experience with deliverance ministry, and I am sure any ATSer that would have been present at some of these times would change their beliefs rather quickly, but other times are not so dramatic to necessarily cause that.

Earthsister, please don't mislead people in this arena because it's a real threat.

At the same token, angels are real as well, and I have seen and heard and been touched by angels, talking physically here, and more importantly commune with them.

As far as aliens, I believe they are real but am not positive, and had an experience that suggested maybe potential contact is possible via "telepathy" (though I have not knowingly had contact), but I am less sure of them since I lack any experiences such as with angels and demons, and I don't know about all that is written about them, but at the same time, I tend to think aliens are probably real.

Muzzleflash, if you want to venture out in this arena and see if you can contact entities such as aliens, first off I would advise calling on the person and name of Jesus for assistance.

But this is a key for protection. Love, real spiritual love, is the way to be protected. Fear, of which I have had too much of in the form of worry at times (which is stupid), is a gateway for the enemy.

So brace yourself mentally, and exercise your mind and what I would call your spiritual senses, and try to get rid of all fear, and feel and project love. That will help protect you.

But getting into the spiritual realm without the presence of the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ is a risk for anyone. Jesus said He was the door, and that the thief comes up by some other way.

That doesn't mean anyone getting into the spiritual arena not aware of Jesus is a thief or something because Jesus leads people often when they are unaware of it. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of truth, and that has to include all truth, including the extent and nature of aliens.

For me, I would be comfortable projecting my thoughts and feelings to make what some here would call telepathic contact, if I did it in love. In a sense, it goes beyond telepathy as what I believe is we all have a spirit, and our spirit has senses and communicates often whether we believe it or not. That's where a lot of thoughts and feelings come from.

So the way to do these types of things is to become more aware of your spirit and spiritual senses, and at the same time, it is vital as you do this to draw closer to God. Opening yourself up spiritually without God's protection is indeed very risky, but sometimes it does lead to faith in the Lord even if one comes across evil entities.

One last comment, since we are being frank here. I will add one item. Jesus Christ is real. I have touched his feet, felt them with my hands, and He has laid His hand on my head and anointed me. I don't mean this just figuratively or something.

You can count on him, and He can and will protect you as you explore this arena if you put your trust in Him.

[edit on 29-9-2005 by randman]



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by randman
...Jesus Christ is real. I have touched his feet, felt them with my hands, and He has laid His hand on my head and anointed me. I don't mean this just figuratively or something.

You can count on him, and He can and will protect you as you explore this arena if you put your trust in Him.

[edit on 29-9-2005 by randman]


Bummer that his protection and guidance doesn't extend to the thousands of innocent children around the world who have been sexually assaulted -- and in some cases, raped -- by pedophile Christian priests, ministers, and nuns who preach in his name no less.


Okay...so maybe he is just practicing some kind of divine detachment in this case, if there even is such a thing. But that still makes him a pedophile enabler in his own churches.


Not a god at all in my estimation as well as that of many others.


Compassion dictates evolution, not Group Entity propaganda from the Mid and Lower Realms of Spirit


Cheers!

[edit on 29-9-2005 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by siriuslyone
After perusing this thread, it has just reaffirmed my belief that there is more EGO among so-called metaphysicians than by any other facet of humanity.



Originally posted by siriuslyone
Not to change the subject.


Too late.


So anyone who has their own opinion on the subject has an EGO?



Originally posted by siriuslyone
As for me, they have been in my life since age 5, and I agreed to deliver their messages when I became and adult.
Never have I done anything for personal gain, as they have shown me that 'if you cannot take it with you when you transition, it is greed.'
Sirius is the origin of the Counsel I am affiliated with and the benevolent grays have saved my life and protected me since I can remember.
IF one wants the responsibility of interacting with them, then all you must do is believe and tell them you agree to be a vessel for their messages.



We are all happy that you have broadened your circle of friends to include extraterrestrials.

Aren't we guys!


Unfortunately, from the thousands of reported alien kidnappings, the vast majority of abductees are not treated with love and respect, but are denigrated into the role of medical experiments and are often forced to participate in a covert long-term breeding program.

Which makes me and others question whether you are truly in contact with benevolent aliens or are just another victim of Zetan brainwashing.

Perhaps you should bring that up in the next Counsel meeting.





posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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I think encouraging people to deliberately draw ETs to them is reckless at best and malicious at worst. There may be benevolent ETs,but evidence suggests the ETs that are likely to have direct contact with us are not going to be one of them. I see this as akin to telling people they should walk up to random wild animals or strange dogs and attempt to pet them. You are inviting danger if you don't know what you're doing.



Originally posted by EarthSister
The aliens are people like we are people and God created them too. All known races in all the known Universes believe in the same one God, but no other race thinks of God like we do. Only humans on this Earth have this stubborn, self-inflicted superstitious concept of evil, devil, demons and hell. This is one of the largest reasons other races have "such" a difficult time approaching us on any level.


I'm not sure how this could be the case though. If we're superstititious,then it would have to be because of them wouldn't it? They're more advanced,they've been around longer. So wouldn't it be they who are the cause of these beliefs? I don't understand how religion is what impedes aliens from approaching us if they wanted to. More on this...






Our neighboring races of people have visited our planet since before humans were here. We humans have had personal contact with alien life since we have been sentient. We will always have contact, but how steadily we progress with it is entirely contingent on us. All advanced races know each other and work together. We too are naturally working toward our own advancement and we can't do it alone.


I'm not sure how it can be entirely contingent upon us when signs point to it being them who were/are making a concerted effort to keep us from advancing. Case in point:You just said alien races have been here even longer than we have. Yet their existence is a question mark. Chronologically,there's no way alien life could be a question mark unless they deliberately hid it from us. We would have known about them from the beginning until know just like we know about any of the other species we know about on this planet. Aliens would be as well known and acknowledged as kimodo dragons or kangaroos.

This goes back about religion and superstition making us difficult to approach. If they were here before we were than how would superstiotion form in the first place if they wanted to approach us? There would not be fear or superstition about them because they'd already be known. So it would appear that they have ulterior motives for not approaching us that are of their own intent. It seems like working backwards to say it's humans that prevent interaction with aliens.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 03:12 AM
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Excellent line of reasoning Loungerist.


If the aliens were here long before the formation of superstition and the world's religions, then they are directly responsible from not being upfront and honest with us from the very beginning. This points to their original focus being one of deception, manipulation and subjugation.

They were not and are not service-to-other (STO) spiritual beings but are instead service-to-self (STS) imperialists that generally treat us like farm animals





posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 05:55 AM
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Wow... What a thread. Glad it got bumped. It gave me chills at times, and a few chuckles at times. It’s been a while since I last read a discussion this intense about aliens...

So we get lots and lots of different views here... One thing is certain. Not everyone is telling the truth. Someone may even be a complete nut. I don't know who to believe and who to laugh at, because everyone (well most members) states their cases quite convincingly.

I won't comment on anyone who posted in this thread or on anything they said, except for something Paul_Richard said. I don't want to get into a religious debate with you, but could you just show a little bit of respect? I don't go throwing insults towards your mother so don't go make any insulting comments about my God. You should know better than to attack someone's religion. I might not believe in Allah or Buddha, but that doesn't mean that I'll insult anyone who does. Mutual respect?

Back to the actual topic. Calling UFOs.
1. It's been nearly 4 months, and a couple of people said they're going to try it. No one came back to say, "Whoa, it works!" ... Although there's been so many threats in here, that I don't blame them.
2. If this theory is correct, does that mean that there is at any given time at any given place on earth an alien spacecraft, "listening"?
3. Please explain this "telepathy" thing to me... I can speak more or less 4 languages - Afrikaans, English, Zulu and Sotho. Which one would the "listening" aliens prefer? I do most of my "thinking" and praying in Afrikaans. Would that be ok? (Ok, that was a bit sarcastic - The question is does aliens understand every single language on the planet?)
4. Does aliens really have nothing better to do but sit and wait for some human to call them? And why would they even bother? Would do actually do what we ask them? Say you walk down the street, and you walk past a stranger, and he asks you to show your socks to him because he can't see it... Would you? Probably not. You'll tell the nut to get away from you...



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Gemwolf

I won't comment on anyone who posted in this thread or on anything they said, except for something Paul_Richard said. I don't want to get into a religious debate with you, but could you just show a little bit of respect? I don't go throwing insults towards your mother so don't go make any insulting comments about my God. You should know better than to attack someone's religion. I might not believe in Allah or Buddha, but that doesn't mean that I'll insult anyone who does. Mutual respect?


To DENY IGNORANCE is to bring to light cogent arguments which others are afraid to address. (Hey, I've been attacked many times for what I espouse. No one has ever pulled any punches on my end.) It is not my fault that there are thousands of victims of sexual abuse from the Christian clergy.

If the emperor wears no clothes then he wears no clothes!

If someone is going to proclaim that Jesus is omnipotent and the only path to God then he or she better well provide us with ample evidence supportive of that belief as well as a clear explanation -- not a scriptural or theological dodge -- as to why Jesus is "compassion challenged" among his so-called "Body of Christ."

I find that Christians (and the Group Entities that they channel -- which empower the Jesus icon) avoid addressing this issue like a plague because they cannot come up with a decent rebuttal.



[edit on 30-9-2005 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
To DENY IGNORANCE is to bring to light cogent arguments which others are afraid to address. (Hey, I've been attacked many times for what I espouse. No one has ever pulled any punches on my end.) It is not my fault that there are thousands of victims of sexual abuse from the Christian clergy.

If someone is going to proclaim that Jesus is omnipotent and the only path to God then he or she better well provide us with ample evidence supportive of that belief as well as a clear explanation -- not a scriptural or theological dodge -- as to why Jesus is "compassion challenged" among his so-called "Body of Christ."


I'm all for getting behind the truth and "denying ignorance" but this is not the way.

1. Making the statement you did is a challenge. I will not go into a religious debate with you. This is not the forum for it, nor would I waste my time like that. Maybe someone else will take you up on it in the correct forum. I'm in no way affraid to try and correct your misinterpreted way of thought. I've been down that road, and I know I'll be wasting my time. Some people are just convinced that they're too smart to have been created by Higher Power and that's that.
2. "There are thousands of victims of sexual abuse from the Christian clergy" ... Yes, and victims from satanists, Budhists, Muslems, Atheists, etc. You can't blame my God for all the bad in the world. You don't blame Him for all the good, do you?
3. There's a thing - a beautiful thing - called free will. Keep that in mind when looking at any religion. Well, anything you look at you have to keep selfish human behaviour in mind.

This will be the last post I'm going to make towards you concerning this topic... Don't confuse me with a so-called conservative "Bible thumper". I don't care what you believe or don't believe in. All I ask is some respect towards my religion and there will be no need to call your mother any names.

So, I'll repeat my actual response to this thread:
1. It's been nearly 4 months, and a couple of people said they're going to try it. No one came back to say, "Whoa, it works!" ... Although there's been so many threats in here, that I don't blame them.
2. If this theory is correct, does that mean that there is at any given time at any given place on earth an alien spacecraft, "listening"?
3. Please explain this "telepathy" thing to me... I can speak more or less 4 languages - Afrikaans, English, Zulu and Sotho. Which one would the "listening" aliens prefer? I do most of my "thinking" and praying in Afrikaans. Would that be ok? (Ok, that was a bit sarcastic - The question is does aliens understand every single language on the planet?)
4. Does aliens really have nothing better to do but sit and wait for some human to call them? And why would they even bother? Would do actually do what we ask them? Say you walk down the street, and you walk past a stranger, and he asks you to show your socks to him because he can't see it... Would you? Probably not. You'll tell the nut to get away from you...



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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Some people just take a while...



Originally posted by Paul_Richard
To DENY IGNORANCE is to bring to light cogent arguments which others are afraid to address. (Hey, I've been attacked many times for what I espouse. No one has ever pulled any punches on my end.) It is not my fault that there are thousands of victims of sexual abuse from the Christian clergy.

If someone is going to proclaim that Jesus is omnipotent and the only path to God then he or she better well provide us with ample evidence supportive of that belief as well as a clear explanation -- not a scriptural or theological dodge -- as to why Jesus is "compassion challenged" among his so-called "Body of Christ."



Originally posted by Gemwolf
I'm all for getting behind the truth and "denying ignorance" but this is not the way.


Then what is?

Bible class?


Originally posted by Gemwolf
1. Making the statement you did is a challenge. I will not go into a religious debate with you. This is not the forum for it, nor would I waste my time like that. Maybe someone else will take you up on it in the correct forum. I'm in no way affraid to try and correct your misinterpreted way of thought. I've been down that road, and I know I'll be wasting my time. Some people are just convinced that they're too smart to have been created by Higher Power and that's that.


What I stated was no bolder than the declaration that the prophet, Jesus of Nazareth, is omnipotent and that the only way to God is through him.

I completely understand if you don't have a good argument to offer to counter the idea that Jesus is a false god and that you wish to not make the attempt. I know that this issue is very frustrating to Christians and I don't find it surprising that you dodge the question.


Originally posted by Gemwolf
2. "There are thousands of victims of sexual abuse from the Christian clergy" ... Yes, and victims from satanists, Budhists, Muslems, Atheists, etc. You can't blame my God for all the bad in the world. You don't blame Him for all the good, do you?


Ah...but as of yet...you don't have anyone in this thread who is declaring that Buddha, Satan, Allah or a Secular Humanist is omnipotent and that the only way to salvation is through them!



If they did, I might come up with a similar rebuttal.

DENYING IGNORANCE applies to EVERYONE.


Originally posted by Gemwolf
3. There's a thing - a beautiful thing - called free will. Keep that in mind when looking at any religion. Well, anything you look at you have to keep selfish human behaviour in mind.


Yes...and when there is deception and manipulation afoot to twist free will into pursuing a FALSE GOD ICON, then it is up to those who care to shed illumination.


Originally posted by Gemwolf
This will be the last post I'm going to make towards you concerning this topic... Don't confuse me with a so-called conservative "Bible thumper". I don't care what you believe or don't believe in. All I ask is some respect towards my religion and there will be no need to call your mother any names.


Of course it's your last post on this issue!

You have no cogent counterargument to offer us.


Until you do...

Cheers!




posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 10:25 AM
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OK, outside of the arguing that has taken over this thread (AGAIN) and back on topic - I have tried some of the things mentioned herein and so far, all I have got to cross my line of sight was a few airplanes.

I am going to continue trying this, but first - can someone specify the difference praying to someone and thinking to someone? I agree, one should only pray to our creator, but whats the difference?

Also, is it true that they are here as part of Gods plan?



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