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Originally posted by negativenihil
But you're forgetting - congress, like the rest of us common people, were still shaken after 9/11. At that point in time i dont think any bill that had anything to do with anti-terrorism would have a chance in hell of *not* passing.
We were all scared and itching for retribution, and Bush sold us a bill of goods that was suppost to help this war on terror.
Maybe because there were no US "embedded" reporters there?
Who said the troops *didn't* have protection while doing this?
This is a conspiracy site afterall...
Also- are you saying the Iraqi Health Ministry isn't credible? i mean really - if we can't trust the government we've just installed... who can we trust?
The U.S. admitted to using napalm in Iraq already. Napalm is a chemical weapon and its' use is banned according to international law.
It's tantamount to Watergate. It's fine for an Administration to put UN diplomats under illegal survellaince in order to blackmail them to vote their way?
The President of the United States is, as a sort of CEO of America, RESPONSIBLE for what those under him do. Is that not clear to you?
4) Authorizing torture of POW's - a direct violation of the protocols of the Geneva Convention
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Nevertheless, everything went through all the processes they needed to go through, meaning technically......nothing was done illegally.
No, a pilot claimed, the US didn't admit anything.
Plus "The US, which did not sign the treaty...." so even if the report was true, the US is/was not bound by that law.
This briefing examines the continuing use of incendiary weapons by the US military in Iraq. US officials have been forced to admit using the MK-77 incendiary, a modern form of napalm, at least during the initial fighting stage of the war. In direct contradiction, the UK government continues to deny that such weapons have been used in Iraq at any time. The UK is party to an international convention banning incendiaries where they may cause harm to civilians....
...Despite this and other eyewitness accounts, US officials initially denied claims that napalm weapons were being deployed[4]. However, as military personnel and journalists in Iraq persistently presented evidence of their use, by August 2003 Pentagon spokesmen were forced to admit that MK-77 firebombs had been dropped[5]. This has since been confirmed by the State Department, in direct contradiction to UK government statements[6].
Past denials were justified on the grounds that questioners had used the term ‘napalm’ instead of ‘firebombs’ or ‘MK-77s’. The US claims to have destroyed all its stocks of ‘napalm’ and argues that the MK-77 cannot be included in this term. However, the Pentagon admits that the MK-77 is an incendiary with a function ‘remarkably similar’ to that of napalm[7].
In fact, the US military itself refers to the new-generation MK-77 as ‘napalm’. The term is even used in official documents such as Defend America, the monthly US Department of Defense publication describing the progress of the ‘war on terror’. In February 2003 the publication proudly described preparations for the coming war, detailing the build-up of weapons in Kuwait:
Everything from hand grenades to 2,000-pound bombs and napalm are shipped, ready for use whenever 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing needs them.[8]
"The existence of the surveillance operation, understood to have been requested by President Bush's National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice"
If you're are trying to come up with a impeachment case, you all have got to do a better job. None of the stuff you all have provided would hold up in a regular court, let alone a republican held congress.
Originally posted by Jakomo
3. George W. Bush is being controlled (and he's clueless)
I do think he's a bit of a moron (anyone who can't pronounce NUCLEAR at age 56 is a frickin tool). I also think that he is doing what his handlers want him to.
Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle (the NeoCon Unholy Trinity) have PLANS, man, and they need these plans to come to fruition, so they use Georgie to push through their plans.
Haha! So it's Condi who was totally behind it, huh? Nobody told Bush at all, he's totally blameless. Bush was chasing armadillos or something.
Originally posted by negativenihil
So by this logic - if your home was broken into and i then went to scam you on some fake home security system - it's not illegal as long as i have all kinds of offical looking forms and statistics and if we go through the same routine a normal security system salesmen would go though, right?
Haha! So it's Condi who was totally behind it, huh? Nobody told Bush at all, he's totally blameless. Bush was chasing armadillos or something.
The Downing Street Memo is enough in itself to impeach Bush. Despite your self-alleged expertise, you appear to know little about what it takes to impeach a President.
President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H.
Rumsfeld, and Attorney General John David Ashcroft have committed violations and
subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with
impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights
of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial
executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those
reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:
1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law;
carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting
in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.
2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.
3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and
locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.
4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its
government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.
4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
5) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign
governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media
and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.
6) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a
part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an
attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and
threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United
Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting
treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy
any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the
exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.
7) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering
indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without
opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the
discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."
8) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without
charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.
9) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of
detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a
detainee is wrongfully held by the government.
10) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens
who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official,
prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.
11) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have
been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in
response to Congressional inquiry.
12) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right
to public trials.
13) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the
government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not
been charged with a crime.
14) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to
hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary
designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."
15) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by
federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and
political activity.
16) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional
right of legislative oversight of executive functions.
17) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of
the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without
consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the
United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome
which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.
And please explain how we defeat Islamic terror with Sadaam still in power in Iraq. It's impossible. And this was Bush's no. 1 reason for going to war and it was delivered in the Axis of Evil speech.
as posted by Jakomo
George W Bush's 13 Impeachable Offenses
Any one of you Bu#es care to dispel these one by one?
Originally posted by lukethedrifter
?! Islamic terror and Saddam were not allies. Osama wanted Saddam as dead as Bush did.
Sadaam funded Palestinian terrorists. Sadaam was a major reason Iran armed itself. Sadaam destablized the Middle East. With Sadaam still in power, there would be no hope of a democratic Iran, a democratic Palestine, Syria withdrawing from Lebanon, Saudi Arabia lowering it's rhetoric, and overall peace in the middle east. Logically, it can't be done. And imagine what would happen 10 years from now when Sadaam dies and his sons gain power.
h's Number One reason for going to war with Iraq was THAT HE WAS 100% CERTAIN HE HAD WMDS. I remember, I was there.
Look at the Axis of Evil Speech. First time he ever mentioned Iraq. He mentions WMD, but the focus is that we can no longer afford nations that want to destroy the US to exist. And wasn't their a Uranium African importation that proved to be true, and you are ignoring?Here's the linkj.
There are 1000 times more terrorists in Iraq NOW then there were under Saddam Hussein.
Yeah, and these were well to do, middle class cab drivers, construction workers and electricians that suddenly "turned terrorists" since the US invaded. It's our fault, all the time.
Don't you think it has something to do with Sadaam's former army that turned to terrorist tactics instead of facing war crimes that they know they would be executed for?
And also take in account that we have brought the fight to the enemy. They're hasn't been one terrorist attack on the US homeland. Before you had 9/11, the Cole, the milenium bomber, the embassy bombings and a ton of others.
800 dead Iraqi civilians since the "free election".
That's really cute how you put in quotes free election. I love how you mock millions of people that stood up to death threats to vote for the first time. And at the same time, you try to discredit the results just for your own selfish reasons because a minority Sunni party lost their tyrannical power to a majority. Very classy of you.
And 800 dead is nothing in a country the size of Iraq. I can make the US seem like a hell hole by focusing on downtown Detroit or LA.
SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS NON-SECULAR!!!!! IRAQ HAD A NON-SECULAR GOVERNMENT!!!!! READ SOMETHING!!!
I understand. But he funded terrorists. His sole existence was to destroy the US. He sent one of his security agents to blow up the WTC in 1993. He would have no qualms about selling a WMD to Osama bin Laden. The Taliban almost took us out with far less money, resources and infrastructure than Sadaam did. Didn't 9/11 teach you something? Are we to just sit down, bury our heads in the sand, and just hope he doesn't decide to attack us?
Now that Saddam is out of power is "Islamic Terror" hurting or in fact is it stronger than ever and getting stronger?
Over 60% of Iraqis say different. More Arabs are optimistic about the future than ever. When Iraq becomes a global economy rivaling S. Korea, Japan, and Germany, Arabs in Pakistan, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia will be asking "If it is good for Iraqis, why not us?"
Palestine held free elections. Libya disarmed. Syria withdrew from Lebanon. Saudi Arabia is fighting al Qaeda. Iran has all the pressure to allow UN Inspectors and has no more excuses.
Things sound good to me.