Originally posted by Amethyst
I don't think it matters if you're left or right. If you don't do what They want, you'll very likely wind up six feet under.

The only thing I would change about that post is to remove the words 'very likely'. You can count on it. If they want it done, its done. Period. And nobody is beyond their reach. If they can get away with killing the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, then that pretty much proves that nobody is allowed to go against their orders.

Of course by they I mean......whomever they are. I don't know.

Their are a lot of things similar between JFK and Lincoln. They are similiar in the way they were killed, and a lot of other things. Do you think their could be a conspiracy between them. Maybe Lincoln was Reincarnated into JFK? So maybe there the same person.

LMAO....A conspiracy between Lincoln and Kennedy? What, Lincoln conspired to come back as Kennedy? That's your conspiracy? Would that be a conspiracy? Doesn't a conspiracy have to involve at least 2 people? So, what Kennedy is the second person? But he wasn't born yet. Did they conspire in heaven? Maybe this should be in the Paranormal Forum....

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII


Of course by they I mean......whomever they are. I don't know.

I just refer to "them" as The Puppetmasters. Because they pull the strings behind the scenes...whoever they are.

[edit on 10/1/2005 by Amethyst]

Lincoln and one of his coachmen had a little tradition where the nights when Mr. lincoln would go out, the coachman would say, "Good Night Mr. Lincoln." to which Mr. Lincoln would reply, "Goodnight Mr. So-and-So". On the evening of his assasination, the Coachman, as always, said "Good Night Mr. Lincoln" but that night Abe looked at him and said "No, I'm afraid this is goodbye Mr. So-and-So". The man thought little of it but an oddity until hours later. I heard this in a History Lecture several years ago, but I was never able to find an account of it. I wish I had asked when I heard it.
There's something near a hundred cooincidences between Lincoln and Kennedy's untimely deaths, not the least of which was JFK being shot in a Ford, Lincoln. There's a slew of them, but I once read the math behind the odds of a cooincidence, it was overwhelming and to the credit of supernature in my opinion.

President Lincoln knew that he was a target of the Jesuits. Here is an excerpt from "Fifty Years in the 'Church' of Rome":

But he was on the top of the mountain of Pisgah, and though he had fervently prayed that he might cross the Jordan and enter with his people into the Land of Promise, after which he had so often sighed, he was not to see his request granted. The answer had come from heaven, "You will not cross the Jordan, and you will not enter that Promised Land, which is there, so near. You must die for your nation's sake!" The lips, the heart, and the soul of the New Moses were still repeating the sublime words, "The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether," when the Jesuit assassin, Booth, murdered him, the 14th of April, 1865, at ten o'clock p.m.



Lincoln knew.

Originally posted by Amethyst
President Lincoln knew that he was a target of the Jesuits. Here is an excerpt from "Fifty Years in the 'Church' of Rome":

But he was on the top of the mountain of Pisgah, and though he had fervently prayed that he might cross the Jordan and enter with his people into the Land of Promise, after which he had so often sighed, he was not to see his request granted. The answer had come from heaven, "You will not cross the Jordan, and you will not enter that Promised Land, which is there, so near. You must die for your nation's sake!" The lips, the heart, and the soul of the New Moses were still repeating the sublime words, "The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether," when the Jesuit assassin, Booth, murdered him, the 14th of April, 1865, at ten o'clock p.m.



Lincoln knew.

Wow....I never believed in Bible Code before...or anything remotely like prophecy...however you have convinced me....I'll buy ten copies of that book and do sell any tapes? What about videos? Do you have a religious radio program...you know, something broadcast via shortwave from Arkansas or Alabama?

Originally posted by benevolent tyrant



Wow....I never believed in Bible Code before...or anything remotely like prophecy...however you have convinced me....I'll buy ten copies of that book and do sell any tapes? What about videos? Do you have a religious radio program...you know, something broadcast via shortwave from Arkansas or Alabama?

I don't believe in Bible codes and I live in Ohio.

You can read the book online, just go to Google, run a search on "Fifty Years in the 'Church' of Rome." Many sites have it available to read online, either as .html or .pdf.

Originally posted by Amethyst

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII


Of course by they I mean......whomever they are. I don't know.

I just refer to "them" as The Puppetmasters. Because they pull the strings behind the scenes...whoever they are.

[edit on 10/1/2005 by Amethyst]

Puppetmasters=PNAC

I have followed the very discreet and little known regular gatherings of the global elite known to the conspiracists as the 'Bilderbergers'. These regular meetings list of guests is limited to around a hundred names of the most powerful and influential people alive. Royalty, national leaders, world religious leaders, media icons, and the corporate elite are the typical invitees. It is not too hard to find the guest lists for these meetings, even though all the world's major news agencies abstain from publicizing anything about the informal get togethers. Security concerns are the most probable motive for that, and the fact that the news media ownership are among the attendees and/or hosts.
I propose that the chimerical 'they' are the same people who choose who will be invited to these meetings, because to my knowledge, the names of the authors of the guest lists are as yet unknown.

Originally posted by 8bitagent
Also, Oswald was in fact trained in the CIA.

Please provide your source for this piece of information.

One JFK/A Lincoln assassinations "coincidence" I have never seen mentioned involves the idea that there was the same unusual kind of bullet wound to someone in both cases, ashot hitting the area of the spinal cord. The first shot in the JFK case appears to have struck JFK's dorsal spinal column, as evidenced by his reflexive posturing of both arms in a "football lineman's" posturing. It is a known fact that the bullet fired by Boston Corbett that hit the man in Garrett's barn hit his spinal cord, as he was paralyzed immediately from the neck down. That man was identified as John Wilkes Booth, although that identification has been since disputed by many.

Especially regarding the federal reserve, vowing to expose secret societies (kennedy and Reagan mentioned this), and abolishing the CIA.

It's odd that after Reagan mentioned his promise to expose the secret socities, bush sr became his vice president. Reagan would of never done that if he wasn't threatened w/ his life. Reagan mentioned later on he was threatened w/ his life.

Bush sr oddly enough became president, started a war, and profited from it w/ his war profiteering colleagues, as well as current bush.

Someone made the point that one of the presidents mentioned there is a 'cabal' out to take over the presidency to futher their agenda and line their pockets at the same time.

The good point someone made was about Hugo Chavez being made enemy quite very well possibly because he redistributed the wealth in Venezuela.

Whenever I think about all these points, certain names come to mind of which these former presidents like Clinton and Bush sr are members of, like; the trilateral commissoin, the bilderburg 4 yr meetings which include the queen and alan greenspan, masons, rockafeller, et al.

It's just weird, I wish I knew more. It's up people though to create a new wealth system. Some places in the states use real money and do business w/ eachother, everytime i see money i think to myself, we work so hard for this? a friggin piece of paper can get you anything you want if you have enough of it. Simply amazing.

It's odd that after Reagan mentioned his promise to expose the secret socities, bush sr became his vice president. Reagan would of never done that if he wasn't threatened w/ his life. Reagan mentioned later on he was threatened w/ his life.

Yeah, he even vowed that Bush would never be his Vice President. Then he was. Also, lets not forget that there was an assassination attempt on Reagan. The gunman would have killed him if he aimed just a bit higher.

It is plainly obvious, when you look at it, that the cabal is more than willing to knock off a problematic president. Think about this. Kennedy signed an order wanting to pull out of Vietnam by 1965. He also rejected Operation Northwoods, a plan to stage terrorist attacks against American citizens and blame it on Cuba to justify an invasion. And yes, he did want to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Kennedy was basically a good guy who thought that he lived in a republic. He figured out the truth on November 22, 1963. The president is merely a puppet. They get him into office, if he has the right connections, and then manipulate him into putting a public face on their agenda. If he steps out of line and stays loyal to the American people, he's killed and a more obedient puppet gets into office.

I think most of the similarities between the two deaths are coincidence, however, the manipulators may have published the fradulent Warren Report with Lincoln in mind. As far as I can tell, in truth, Lee Harvey Oswald did nothing and Kennedy was caught in the middle of a six-man mafia hit squad, contracted by the CIA. Oswald was just a patsy who was to be knocked off by Jack Ruby. No trial. No serious investigation. Typical of covert CIA Coup de etas.

8bitagent says:

Whether you believe in the JFK conspiracy, there are two facts:

Kenedy [sic] wanted to abolish the CIA and Federal Reserve, and spoke out against secret societies and secret oaths.

Also, Oswald was in fact trained in the CIA.

Do you have any evidence at all for those assertions, or are you just repeating unsubstantiated gossip?

LMAO. This is straight out of chapter 4 in the textboobk they give you for the Conspiracies 101 class in college. Such a classic, I must admit.

Do you have any evidence at all for those assertions, or are you just repeating unsubstantiated gossip?

Street, I know you know that Oswald was involved with the CIA....you must be just playing devil's advocate. That information is quite well known. Like the poster after you said.....it's taught in Conspiracy 101.....

The other stuff...well, some proof would be nice!

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It might be somewhat unrelated but I think that a way to understand an assasination (might have misspelled that, terrible with typing) is to research the individuals actions leading up to it.

"When in the course of human events" by Douglas Adams is a wonderfull must read book for anyone to understand why the War Between the States really occured. Lincoln had a definite Federalist agenda going into the war and had a lot of New England and North Western industrialists backing his war of conquest against the South. Then he ticked them off by issuing the Emancipation Proclomation.

Even though it was a measure to keep the Europeans out of the war and to give a false moral pretext to the war, the Proclomation inscensed many leading politicians and industrialists who heretofore had supported Lincoln. In "The REal Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo he states a statistic of nealry 250,000 Federal troops deserting and some fleeing to Canada to protest the Proclomation! In Glory Road by Bruce Catton he sheds light on the little known rebellion in Illinois involving the Knights of the GOlden Circle, the true forerunners of the KKK. (Many of the Knights were Federal soldiers who had recently deserted because fo the Proclomation despite valiant prior service.) Anti-black sentiment was actually worse in the North than the South.

As far as JFK goes, I think that Crossfire by Jim Marrs and the Oliver Stone movie pretty well give some idea as to the mood of the administration after the bungled Bay of Pigs.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
8bitagent says:

Whether you believe in the JFK conspiracy, there are two facts:

Kenedy [sic] wanted to abolish the CIA and Federal Reserve, and spoke out against secret societies and secret oaths.

Also, Oswald was in fact trained in the CIA.

Do you have any evidence at all for those assertions, or are you just repeating unsubstantiated gossip?

Some of it is pretty well known, such as the CIA having employed Oswald at least, as well as the FBI. As to the abolishing of the Fed, I think that is off target, though a revision of the monetary system was apparently in his thoughts, as it was in Lincolns. The secret societies thing, I don't know, though I bet he was not a membe of any of them. So many deadly groups wanted JFK dead they likely fought over who would get to do it. He's dead, that is the thing to remember, and his views are worth looking at to see why he had so many enemies. Here's a thought I just had, that I have yet to hear. Maybe Kennedy was payback for Lincoln? That is better than most of the theories.

here's a slightly less important question: I spotted a zipper-up hoodie last weekend that relates to this whole topic. On one side it had half of Abraham Lincoln's face and on the other side it had half of JFK's face. I found the subtle reference to their joint conspiracy theory awesome but I have no idea where to find a hoodie like that?! If anyone knows, please let me know!