Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
But I do, and will continue to air my position on the brotherhood, not from what I read on the net, but from what those 33rd brothers who have told
me about what goes on. I trust them!
Now REALLY, ASE, How many 33rd Degree Masons do you KNOW?? I personally know a LOT, but I'm active in the Scottish Rite where they tend to
congregate for meetings...but there aren't a lot of 'em in one place walking around on the street. Does saying they're 33rds make them seem more
credible to you? Be honest.
I do not trust anyone who thinks they can speak for all the brothers because I know as a fact it is impossible to do so. You can only spout a dogma
that is not practiced by all the masons, therefor, these statments are irrelavent. It is abserd to even consider speaking for thousands of brothers
you dont know personally.
Then why do YOU think YOU can speak for them, by calling it evil, occult, nefarious, etc? YOU'RE speaking for thousands of [Masons] you don't know
personally. ....and you call US absurd?!!??! (Actually I think you called us "abserd" but I knew what you meant!)
Freemasonry has as one of its premises that you must believe in a supreme being. I have also met some great Athiests. This is the height of
arrogance and predjudice.
How so? It's an ancient landmark of the Fraternity. It was founded for men who BELIEVE in God. NOT for men who DON'T. We have nothing against
Athiests (I know several whom I really like) but they're not eligible to be Masons. Neither are convicted felons. I know a few of them. Nice
guys...paid their debt to society...but are NOT eligible to be Freemasons, any more than a Protestant Christian is eligible to join the Knights of
Columbus. Rules are rules whether you like 'em or not.
There's a street in my town that in my opinion I should be able to drive 45 mph on. Not long ago a nice police officer stopped me and informed me
that someone who was actually in charge of the streets in my town didn't want me to do that. They wanted me to drive 30 mph. I don't like that
rule (or the little pink piece of paper he gave me to remind me) but I didn't make the rule...I simply have to abide by it.
The Athiest is not bound by any religious brainwashing / dogma and can therefore see life without binders. But masonry chooses to overlook this asset
in searching for the truth.
This is illogical. Freemasonry is based on the teachings of GOD. Freemasons believe there IS a God, why would we want an Athiest in there saying
there ISN'T? Makes as much sense as a Jewish Synagogue inviting in a Pentecostal Preacher to preach that Jesus is the Messiah...the
Christ. Why would they do that? (Except perhaps for entertainment)
The masons I have spoken with have also agreed that because of the wording of "Tollorance", Satanists and luciferians are allowed to enter because
there supreme being is acceped.
The word is "Tolerance" and Satanists do NOT believe that Satan is a Supreme Being. Satanists are NOT allowed to be Masons, unless they join by
So I consider some of these stories to be based in fact, not Troll mongering. And since the pricipal masons on this board do not know the people
involved in these stories they can once again only reitirate the masonic dogma, not fact. As the old line goes, just the facts mam, just the
Hmmm. But the fact remains that we ARE Masons...the person telling these stories is NOT. Just the facts.
To be fair, balanced, and truely honest, you MUST take the good with the bad.
On that we agree. There IS good...there IS bad. But FREEMASONRY is not bad...there have just been some bad Masons (and are still some,
unfortunately) That doesn't make the ORGANIZATION bad....any more than a few bad Priests make the Catholic Church bad.
The carpet will only hold so much dirt, just ask the Catholic church!
I will continue to judge a person for who they are, not by the associations they keep. And, I will also continue to judge a person by what they do,
and not by what they say.
When are you going to actually START doing that?
I will live my life by morals beliefes, not by politics!
That's very Masonic of you.
And I will never have complete tolorance to accept evil as the accepted norm because a brotherhood says its okay!
Right. That's why the Brotherhood of Freemasons is against that sort of thing too. Glad you agree with us!